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Originally Posted by keeshou
I feel safe in saying the sooner we get rid of George W Bush and his ilk the sooner we'll get to normalizing our relations with the rest of the world and maybe even finding out what happened.
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agreed
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Originally Posted by keeshou
You are going to accuse me of supporting some government theory simply because I don't want to believe in your theory.
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I wasn't accusing you,
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Originally Posted by Farangrakthai
The ball is in your court. since you don't believe the "inside job" theory, it is your turn to support the government's theory. Who were the hijackers, name the 19 names, how they did it and who was behind them? stop sitting on the fence saying that all theories are full of shite. Let's debate this!! shall wait to see what you come up with.
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I was just saying that regarding who did it, it's either an inside job or a bunch of guys with box cutters, right?.
and, if you don't think there is enough circumstantial evidence for you to think that it was an inside job, then you could explore the evidence to support the guys with boxcutters doing it.
And, it would be interesting to have a poster on this thread put some effort into supporting the theory that "the guys with boxcutters" did it. Then, after poking some holes, maybe we'd all be able to see which theory holds water, as it were. and you seemed like a good candidate to do this as you are always just poking holes into info that supports the "inside job" theory, rather than bringing up other info to support another theory.
rather than debating how the buildings fell, which is really, just a minor detail in the overall scheme of things of what really happened on 911. The following, that I posted before, I think provides pretty clear evidence of thermite not being tested for and these guys seem to know what they are talking about. though, never heard your response to it.
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From: The Open Civil Engineering Journal, 2008,
Fourteen Points of Agreement with Official Government Reports on the World Trade Center Destruction
Publication in a Peer-reviewed Civil Engineering Journal! | 911Blogger.com
CONCLUSIONS
We have enumerated fourteen areas where we are in agreement with FEMA and NIST in their investigations of the tragic and shocking destruction of the World Trade Center. We agree that the Towers fell at near free-fall speed and that is an important starting point. We agree that several popular myths have been shown to be wrong, such as the idea that steel in the buildings melted due to the fires, or that the Towers were hollow tubes, or that floors “pancaked” to account for total Tower collapses. We agree that the collapse of the 47-story WTC 7 (which was not hit by a jet) is hard to explain from the point of view of a fire-induced mechanism and that NIST has refused (so far) to look for residues of explosives.3, 22, 27 Our investigative team would like to build from this foundation and correspond with the NIST investigation team, especially since they have candidly conceded (in a reply to some of us in September 2007):“…we are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse”.25
We are offering to discuss these matters in a civil manner as a matter of scientific and engineering courtesy and civic duty. The lives of thousands of people may very well depend on it.
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anyway, The who, why, and how the planes were flown into the world trade center and pentagon are more important, IMO
The following is the initial post of this thread which is what this thread was supposed to be about,
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Originally Posted by esoteric1
The part I've bolded in the quote below is what nags at me the most...wtf?! This is why we have two useless immoral wars going at the same time??!! Quote: It makes no sense to believe a man about one thing when he has told nothing but lies about everything else. What makes 911 different? As Dr. Hans Koechler points out, it has become 'politically correct dogma'. As Ronald Reagan's 'trickle down theory' and 'fundamentalist Christianity' has done for 'true believers', the 'official conspiracy theory of 911, relieves its 'true believers' of responsibility for their 'sins' and places it with a 'rag tag band' of 'evil terrorists'. The GOP's faith in the 911 orthodoxy has become a secular religion, akin to their unquestioned belief in Christianity, a faith --not a science --in which they are relieved of responsibility, forgiven all sins in exchange for merely believing a 'dogma' for which there is not a shred of logic or fact in support. The 'terrorists' have become Christ-like. They have borne America's collective guilt and died for our sins.
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