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hvc · 11th June 2008, 19:39

I think I've said that somewhere before

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The track being taken with Seven is very different. Microsoft is deliberately keeping quiet about Windows 7 to attempt to ensure that the company can actually ship everything it promises in late 2009/early 2010.

Windows 7 demo: all multitouch and no meat

esoteric1 · 11th June 2008, 19:43

What's Vista?

hvc · 11th June 2008, 19:53

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What's Vista?

Something to keep some simpletons happy putting money on a dead horse.

Billy knew that some people can't read.

The Win7 story was official before the release of Vista.

I guess that will be the shortest thread ever.

Magpie · 13th June 2008, 21:15

Hey, HVC..your link doesn't work.

As for Vista......7 years in the making...Gotta be a huge letdown for Microsoft freaks. Probably the saddest platform out there.

esoteric1 · 13th June 2008, 21:21

works for me:

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Windows 7 demo: all multitouch and no meat

By Peter Bright | Published: May 28, 2008 - 11:02PM CT

D6, the sixth annual All Things Digital conference, kicked off yesterday with a session starring Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer. Discussion spanned topics ranging from the failed Yahoo acquisition to the lukewarm reception Windows Vista has had to the impact that Gates' imminent departure will have on the company. It was for another reason, however, that this session was so keenly anticipated: it was to contain the first public look at Windows 7. Recent revelations from Microsoft have suggested that Windows 7 will be far more evolutionary than its radical predecessor; this was confirmed by last night's demonstration.
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Whereas Windows Vista had a huge amount of public build-up, Microsoft has so far kept pretty quiet about Seven. Details about Vista were talked about in public seemingly non-stop from about 2003 until its eventual release in late 2006. As is now well-known, Vista didn't deliver all of the features promised during its extended development, and the widespread negative perception of the OS has undoubtedly hurt both the Microsoft and Windows brands. The tack being taken with Seven is very different. Microsoft is deliberately keeping quiet about Windows 7 to attempt to ensure that the company can actually ship everything it promises in late 2009/early 2010.

What was shown at D6 was rather less than hoped. The big feature—in fact, the sole feature—demonstrated was multitouch, the same technology as found in Microsoft's multi-thousand-dollar Surface table and Apple's iPhone. The demonstrated software was more or less the same demos we saw with Surface—photo scaling, finger painting, splashing about in water—along with a Virtual Earth/Google Earth-style mapping program. And that's the extent of it. That's all that was demonstrated. The demoed software appeared to have a new taskbar, but no details on this were forthcoming; when quizzed on it, the demonstrator replied, "It's something we're working on for Windows 7 that I'm not supposed to talk about right now."

Video: Multi-Touch in Windows 7

That Windows 7 would have multitouch is something that's been known since last year. Such a move is not without precedent; the current Surface platform is built on top of Windows Vista, and rolling this kind of feature into the base OS is a pattern we have seen before. XP Tablet Edition had its functionality subsumed into Vista, and amalgamating multitouch into the core Seven OS is a logical extension of that work. Seven's multitouch capabilities will simply be a more widely-available version of what Surface already has; they will free Surface from its special, expensive hardware, and offer multitouch to anyone with a suitable touch-sensitive screen; screens which, it was pointed out, are already on the market.

As a demonstration of what to expect from Windows 7, this left a lot to be desired. Multitouch is fun to play with, but it doesn't appear any more useful today than it did when Surface was first demoed. In devices with limited form factors (smartphones being the canonical example) it certainly seems to have a lot to offer, but for a regular desktop or laptop PC, the benefits are far from obvious. If a technology is going to require new screens and endless supplies of screen-cleaner to remove the inevitable finger-prints, it had better offer something really killer to justify the cost, and so far, it doesn't. Microsoft has long championed touch-screen computing, but tablet PCs have consistently failed to set the market alight, and at this stage it doesn't look likely that multitouch will change that situation. Those few people using tablets will probably love it, but it won't mean anything to the vast majority of Windows 7 users.

Windows 7 is shaping up to be a far-less-ambitious release than Vista. Although the Vista plans were watered down from the Longhorn ideals, it nevertheless saw significant under-the-hood development, with the most significant part of this being an all-new graphics subsystem. These changes were very disruptive as they required all-new drivers for video, sound, and other core functionality, and this has contributed significantly to Vista's reputation for poor compatibility when compared with its predecessor. This might not be such a problem were it for the fact that Vista fails to make any significant use of these new features. Plenty of pain—no real gain. To remedy this, Windows 7 is being pushed as a release that will consolidate on the ground-work laid by Vista. Windows 7 will not introduce any radical overhaul of core operating system subsystems; instead, it will leverage the new features introduced as part of the Vista release.

This is in some ways surprising. By referring to the next version of Windows as "Windows 7" Microsoft is promoting Seven as a major release (Vista being version 6 of the Windows NT platform), but those few details revealed so far suggest that it is anything but. This might just be a repercussion of the new reticent Microsoft; perhaps there is far more to Windows 7 than the company is letting on. If Seven is to live up to its billing, there will have to be.

re_fuse · 13th June 2008, 21:26

Just ran a spy bot ( first time in a year) got 20 minor mal ware....Window defender on Vista in conjuntion with Nod 32 does a reasonable job. Never crashed.

dexter · 14th June 2008, 00:59

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Just ran a spy bot ( first time in a year) got 20 minor mal ware....Window defender on Vista in conjuntion with Nod 32 does a reasonable job. Never crashed.

Far as I'm concered Vista's the best thing which has happened since sliced bread

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Sick of hearing punters winge about XP. Take a masters in Vista psychology.

Windows 7 ain't gonna happen. Try Linux, or get with the flow and familiarize yourself with Vista.

SageAndOnion · 14th June 2008, 02:10

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Windows 7 ain't gonna happen.

Are you suggesting that Microsoft is not going to release any new versions of the Windows OS?

dexter · 14th June 2008, 02:35

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Are you suggesting that Microsoft is not going to release any new versions of the Windows OS?

Nope they will, but trading under a different name.

The windows 7 timeframe wasn't feasible and it has never been on the cards. However, there will be ongoing Vista OS SPs.

IMO, the next MS OS release will likely incorporate the Linux system in 2010

hvc · 14th June 2008, 06:25

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Originally Posted by dexter

Nope they will, but trading under a different name.

However, there will be ongoing Vista OS SPs.

No, there won't. Ever wondered why in "my computer" props your vista tells you that it is version 6.** just like XP?

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IMO, the next MS OS release will likely incorporate the Linux system in 2010

As in 'windooz becomes open source'?

Win and Linux run nicely alongside, at least on my computer.

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Hey, HVC..your link doesn't work.

It works on XP

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Windows 7 ain't gonna happen. Try Linux, or get with the flow and familiarize yourself with Vista.

The flow of back-track.

Major computer producers install XP again after the Vista ""flow"" very quickly became a trickle.

Magpie · 14th June 2008, 13:09

[quote=hvc;982170]It works on XP

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Not on my XP....I just get the page cannot be displayed warning...on both firefox & IE.

By they way I use Mac for work...XP for the web.

hvc · 14th June 2008, 17:08

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Not on my XP....I just get the page cannot be displayed warning...on both firefox & IE.

By they way I use Mac for work...XP for the web.

The link is still there. You can try this one too. Windows 7 to Have Touch-screen Interface

re_fuse · 15th June 2008, 12:45

You too can look like a mac user

Eric C · 15th June 2008, 13:40

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IMO, the next MS OS release will likely incorporate the Linux system in 2010

I think you're right on track here. Windows is built on a foundation that is just not up to the task of today's computing demands. Most serious corporate clients, e.g. banks, still use Windows 2000. IMHO W2K / NT is the best OS MS has ever released. MS has to make some tough decisions ahead just like Apple had to do when they dropped the old bloated and impractical classic Mac OS. The thing that makes it much more difficult for MS is they try to support a myriad of legacy hardware. I think they're just going to have to cut their losses and tell people that many of their old peripherals and boxes won't work with the new OS, time to upgrade.

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As in 'windooz becomes open source'?

No, more of a closed source model like Apple uses now. The kernel is open (Darwin) but everything else isn't.

Things in the computer world move fast and are accelerating exponentially. If MS doesn't get their shit together soon, with a feasible long-term roadmap, people will jump ship and the OS community / Apple will take progressively bigger chunks out of their ass. We might be seeing the beginning of the end of MS dominance right now. Google is much better poised to take the lead in delivering applications and services via the web making the OS irrelevant.

One more thing to consider is the massive 'brain drain' that has happened to MS. Many of their best and brightest have jumped ship to Google in the last few years. Here's one link that sums things up but there is a lot more info about other employees that have defected for anyone inclined to search:
Working Tech: Microsoft's brain drain gets worse - Jun. 29, 2006

With all that said, MS will continue to be a cash cow for the near to mid future. Same sort of analogy applies to telephone companies that see revenues evaporating as long distance charges become a thing of the past.

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You too can look like a mac user

I knew I should have never let you take that picture