As usual, when you have nothing to contribute, you contribute nothing.Originally Posted by baksiidaa
11 out of 13. Now there's a guy who really likes to get the last word in. Your friends (assuming you have any) probably go crazy just talking to you.
So Apple is for molly coddled dummies?
He's got a point.
What I find interesting, though, let's take a look at some of those imaginary numbers fandroids are tossing around:
900,000 daily activations : Like many of the numbers tossed around by Andy Rubin (and mindlessly repeated by the Andy faithful), this number quietly downplays the fact that most Android devices are being 'pre-activated' at the factory, upon installation of the Android device. So, the number more accurately reflects 900,000 Android devices manufactured every day, combined with however many that are bought and being activated.
So, at best, it's a deliberately misleading number.
That said, we don't know how many iOS activations there are every day -- but we do know another number.
Google has revealed that 75% of their mobile revenue comes from iOS - that's a seriously large number. If Android were as overwhelmingly "winning" as the mindless drones bleat about, then why is the majority of Google's mobile revenue not coming from Android? or at least 50%?
It's not - instead, a significant majority of Google's mobile search revenue originates from the iOS platform. Allegedly the platform that has inferior deploy numbers.
How is Android "winning" here?
Mind you, actual mobile search results implies "actual warm blooded consumers who bought the device and are using it" - it doesn't mean "devices we shipped to Best Buy and Tesco Lotus and that are sitting on the shelves".
Combine that with another known number - in the USA, every single mobile carrier is dominated by iPhone *sales*. In fact, each carrier sells more iPhones, than all the other smartPhone brands *combined*. Thus, while a given carrier might just have 300 iPhones in stock, and 3,000 combined Android models in stock - the 300 iPhones actually walk out the door. The Android devices don't. These are confirmed numbers from the 4 US carriers.
Thailand's TRUE sells out of their allocated stock of iPhones in half the time they allocated for sales, and are constantly having to re-order. They keep 1/4 that many Android models in stock (again, combined all other manufacturers), and usually have to return 90% of that stock after their 90 days window. This was confirmed by the Deputy Director of TRUEmove, product management, in a recent meeting.
How is Android "winning" here?
Actual usage numbers - either of mobile websites, public wifi hotspots, in-flight broadband, Flikr most popular cameras, etc, or any other metrics that measure actual usage, generally show iPhones and iOS devices with usually 75% or more usage share. Why is that?
How is Android "winning" here?
So, just like all of Andy Rubin's other claims, his 900,000 activations don't mean diddly in the grand scheme of things, if Google can't even manage to extract revenue numbers from Android.
Was this the same crybaby that complained when I went off-topic in one of his many Android bashing threads? Yep, same one. I'll just refer back to this post next time you cry.
All of your points rely on assumptions and lack of information with no way of proving your point. We've consistently seen reports showing Android clearly dominating in smartphone marketshare but you continue to deny and parrot the same flimsy arguments. For you to assume that the majority of Android phones are all collecting dust and eventually being sent back to the manufacturer is borderline retarded especially since the number of activations and shipments are growing.
I can just see it now. The top executives of a smartphone manufacturer sit down to discuss their future strategy.
Executive A: "We had 60% of our phones sent back and are now collecting dust in our warehouses. What shall we do about it?"
Executive B: "I know! Let's increase our output and shipment numbers by 20%! That should do the trick."
Executive A: "BRILLIANT!"
a) this thread title states "Android vs iOS" - hitch is what my post was about. Exactly what it was about. Where is it off topic? (Silence, crickets).
b) you hate facts. Here's some:
(*) supporting links / facts:
The Verizon iPhone Outsells Every Other Smartphone in Q4 « Ron Offringa
http://parislemon.com/post/16413547331/more-than-halfWhy is Verizon pushing the iPhone over the millions of Android phones that it offers? Because the iPhone outsells every other handset combined. Despite being offered 4G, multiple form factors, multiple Android skins, and cheaper prices, the iPhone outsold every other handset combined on Verizon this quarter.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/...ones-combined/Every single Android phone that Verizon sells dozens of models combined could not outsell the iPhone last quarter. When you consider that Verizon sells plenty of BlackBerrys (and a few Windows Phones here and there) as well, this is even more incredible.
In fact, we believe iPhones are outselling all other smartphones combined at Sprint and AT&T and selling at roughly equal volume to all Android smartphones at Verizon.
It's very obvious that you have little if any experience with how sales in this industry work.
The thread is about comparing specifics of the Android vs iOS operating systems, not about market share or who is selling more phones. That's why you are off topic.
Your "facts" involve cherry picking information then trying to make sweeping conclusions based on poor and limited evidence.
Off the top of my head, here is what is wrong with your "facts" although I'm sure there are more things if I bothered using google as much as you do:
1. Your references are from the US only. The home country of Apple.
2. You take into account only 3 of the 4 major carriers while ignoring smaller carriers and prepaids.
3. You are talking about a single quarter. The quarter in which Apple released their first phone in a year and a half and also released it on a new carrier. Verizon was still fairly new as an iphone carrier at that point so I'm sure there were those waiting for the new iphone release to upgrade their phone. In other words, you picked the most convenient quarter possible for your point yet ignore the drastic shift back to Android sales in more recent months.
... and you love making nebulous claims, while not backing them up. "Drastic shift back to Android?"
Hahaha!
You interpret quarterly, regularly fluctuations as "monumental landslides" - like I said, you claim what you want to hear, with a total disregard for facts.
Nothing new under the sun, really. All that's missing is your Trep alter ego, continuing to make a fool of himself, and the band would be all back.
For someone who relies so much on google for your posts, it does seem odd that you are incapable of using it when it comes to finding facts that don't appeal to you:
Android reclaims 61 percent of all U.S. smartphone sales | Internet & Media - CNET News
You'd think a fashion conscious iThing user would be searching on Bing with Internet Explorer ... wouldn't you?
I know, right? Pshhh, Google is for all of you unsophisticated geeks. Sure it might be superior in every way to Bing but Bing has the "experience" with a beautiful yet simple and fluid interface which is something Google users will never understand.
You're such a funny fandroid, building your straw men, one straw at a time.
Your own article contradicts your claims.
Poor little forum monkey can't even come up with a decent argument.
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