With the Nexus 7 out and an expected announcement of the 32gb and 3g versions on the 29th, I really don't see a good reason to buy an ipad mini.
Nexus 7 is:
-Less expensive already and I won't be surprised if they move the 16 gb version down to 199 and introduce the 32 gb version at 249 since the 8 gb model is already removed from the play store. This would make the Nexus 7 a full 120 dollars cheaper for the base model with equal storage.
-Better screen. Higher res and much higher ppi. Widescreen much better for video content.
-Better hardware. The mini is using last year's cpu and most likely half the memory though those details haven't been released yet.
-More convenient size. The Nexus 7 easily fits in a guy's pocket as long as you aren't wearing skinny jeans. The ipad mini is far too wide for that. I imagine the mini would have a hard time fitting in a girl's purse as well with how wide it is. A deep purse maybe.
The ipad mini is:
-thinner. Weight difference is negligible.
-has a rear camera for those weirdos who take pictures with their massive tablets.
For those that talk about all the tablet apps available on the ipad I gotta say that argument is really outdated since 99% of tablet use involves a web browser, the facebook app, the gallery app, a movie viewing app, and popular games that are readily available for both apple and android platforms.
The ipad mini release overall is definitely a big swing in the apple philosophy as it is clearly a response to competitors products and a "look, we have one too!" type of statement. Strange move for apple because normally they try to do something different.
Last edited by baksiidaa; 25th October 2012 at 11:06.
I'm really disappointed with Tim Cook. It's being disappointment after disappointment with the guy. So far he's being riding on the success of Steve Job, but how long can he last? It seems everything he does is for profit and never about making great products. As Steve Job said in his biography, Tim Cook isn't a product guy.
First disappointment was with the minor upgrade from iPhone 4 to 4S in time for the Christmas rush. Then it was the stupidly name New iPad. After that was the big fat lie about New iPad with worldwide 4G. Then the elongated iPhone 5 screen and the fallout with Google Maps. And now Tim Cook comes out with this dumbass iPad Mini thing which steals the spot light from the Original iPad, when he could have instead just listed the Original iPad at $299 instead of replacing it with a smaller iPad for $329. Now there are 4 screen sizes developers have to worry about (iPhone 4 and 4S, iPhone 5, iPad 2 and iPad Mini and New iPad). This is exactly the kind of thing Steve Job was trying to avoid!!! Finally, he releases a replacement for New iPad only months after its release just in time for Christmas! And to add insult to injury the bastard calls the latest iPad, "iPad with Retina display"! As if the old New iPad didn't have a Retina Display in the first place!
On a positive note, at least the New iPad and iPad with Retina display are still the world's best tablets.
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I completely disagree. iTunes, News Stand and iBooks (iBooks IF you live in the USA) are still game changing apps I don't see anyone replicating any time soon. iTunes revolutionized the music industry and it is still the go-to store for anyone who's willing to pay money for digital music. News Stand is a new thing and publishers are already hailing it as their saviour and for creating new media to attract new subscribers (can't remember the statistics, but most subscribers on News Stand are new readers who don't subscribe to paper magazines). iBooks is still in its infancy stage, but if it can develop into the ecosystem it was meant to be, then that will completely change the education industry.Originally Posted by baksiidaa
One last time about apps, the main reason why iPad apps are better than Android apps, in general, is that iPad apps are optimized for a bigger screen so the apps take advantage of the extra space. Android tablet apps, on the other hand, are really just Android phone apps blown up on a bigger screen with lots of empty white space.
P.S. You try using a Windows tablet and say what you said above again! I can't even get Kindle on my Windows Phone!
Last edited by MDJase; 25th October 2012 at 16:14.
Screen is kinda where I have a little trouble with Nexus 7. The colors are indeed washed out. I have a Galaxy Nexus phone and Nexus 7 really sucks in comparison.
I bought my wife a Mini Pad today. Saved a fortune.Apple unveils iPad Mini
4 more years!
Why? Recycle it or wear it two sides?I bought my wife a Mini Pad today. Saved a fortune.
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You realize that there are equivalent apps for everything you mentioned? Amazon for music is very comparable and much better if you aren't tied to the apple ecosystem. The Kindle app is very good and easily competes with iBooks. Google has their own built in apps now that are included with Jellybean with google music and play books. There's a newstand one as well. IIRC, some of the Google apps are still limited to the US similar with iBooks.
Which apps are you referring to? I've run into quite a few tablet specific games and apps but with the apps used by the majority, this isn't really an issue. Android phone apps also work well on the tablet because they share aspect ratio and resolutions in a lot of cases. This isn't the case with an iphone and ipad. Iphone 4 is 3:2, 5 is almost 16:9, ipad is 4:3. Have you actually used apps on a Nexus 7 or are you just guessing based on what someone else said?One last time about apps, the main reason why iPad apps are better than Android apps, in general, is that iPad apps are optimized for a bigger screen so the apps take advantage of the extra space. Android tablet apps, on the other hand, are really just Android phone apps blown up on a bigger screen with lots of empty white space.
Its pretty hard to compete there as a lot of people prefer the vivid colors on amoled screens but I think the screen does compare pretty well with the ipad 2 screen in this regard.
You realize there are equivalent cars for Mercedes and BMW made by Hyundai and KIA?
I kinda did say the iBooks hasn't reached its potential yet. Steve Jobs kinda... died... before he could finish what he started. Also, the strength of iBooks lies in its ability to incorporate multimedia rather than just read text and display images, which is exactly what Kindle does, just read texts and display images. On top of this, Steve Jobs was able to get major publishers in the USA to agree to start publishing their textbooks on iBooks for a heavily discounted price of $15 as the full RRP, rather than the usual $50+. Amazon won't be able to achieve this well after Apple has already consolidated the education market and made it theirs.
Back to the Mercedes & BMW vs. Hyundai and KIA thing again. Google claims their news stand has hundreds of magazines, while Apple's News Stand has over 5,000. 'Nuff said.
Standard TV was never an issue for me... until I bought a HDTV. Catching the bus and train was never an issue for me... until I got my first car. Using computers was never an issue for me... until I bought my New iPad. For some people, living on an isolated farm will never be an issue... until they leave their farm and visit the big city. Also, the key word in your sentence is few. Developers simply don't make tablet specific apps for Android, because there are too many screen sizes and resolution sizes out there for Android tablets. There's no uniformity. There are only very few Android tablet specific apps at the moment. Techradar said, only recently, there are 16 or 17 or 19 (can't remember) Android tablet specific apps at the moment. Maybe the guy was just joking and taking the pissing out of Android, but what's important is the point he was making.
Isn't that what I was complaining about in my earlier post? Steve Job wanted to avoid this, but Tim Cook, being the money hoarding squirrel decided it'd be a fantastic idea make some more money at the sacrifice of quality.
Never tried the Google Nexus 7, but I definitely prefer iPad's screen, especially New iPad, over Super AMOLED ++++++++, or wherever they're up to now. The AMOLED screens are just simply too saturated for me. Too fake. Also, doesn't matter how much you like AMOLED screens, you're not going to get them on tablets due to high costs and manufacturing difficulties. The Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 doesn't actually use AMOLED screens.
They'll just release a newer version shortly, and then you might feel like yours is out of date. Maybe it's just me, but people using iphones and ipads just look like shmucks. It's amazing how so many people get excited when Apple announces the release of a slightly different model of an existing product.
Of course, it's up to you.
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I think you mean people who buy a new iPhone or iPad every time a new one is released look like shmucks. That I would completely agree with. I mean how often do you buy a new computer or laptop? How often do you buy a phone or tablet? A high end phone and a high end tablet costs more than a mid range laptop and far more than a mid ranged PC. I buy phones every 2 years because they always break. But if they didn't I'd keep them for at least 3-5 years. I use phones for a few basic things: phone calls, messaging, calendar, calculator and dictionary.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
Exactly! More people will see your phone or tablet, compared to your home computer. Therefore, it's more important to to upgrade the ones that people will see more often.
Right. I used an HTC Incredible in the U.S. for about 3 years before coming to Thailand. I'd still be using it now if it would work here(no sim card slot.) Although, I still use it as a camera as it takes amazingly clear pictures.
Not even a remotely similar comparison and many consider those alternatives to be superior.
Yup, so there goes that idea out the window. Apple will never be the same with Jobs gone which you seem to agree with. It is just odd that you agree with this yet still claim some kind of imagined superiority. If we want to pick and choose apps, well I use maps far more than I use any of those apps you mentioned combined and Google is way beyond Apple in that category. Oh well, at least you can still use Google maps in your safari browser.
Its hard to take your opinion seriously with that car comparison and considering you've admitted to never using a Nexus 7.
Again, if you had read my first post, I said that Apple is now riding on the momentum of Steve Job. So yes, right now I think Apple's products are superior to Android's, but this may very well change in the future depending on how much damage Tim Cook does to Apple. In all honesty, I think in a decade's time, Windows might be the one to take the crown from Apple, not Android. But that's just my opinion.
It's hard to take your opinion seriously considering how in every discussion we have I always debate about Android's software vs. iOS software, and yet you still talk about ONE specific hardware - i.e. Google Nexus 7.
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At the end of the day I'm sure the Google Nexus 7 is a great tablet for it's price point ($199). That's why it's been getting all these rave reviews. But Android is more than just a single tablet. Android is used on hundreds of devices including both phones and tablets.
I can't accept this "Apple hasn't been the same since Steve Jobs" argument, which you keep pushing. I see where you're coming from, as Steve Jobs was a technical genius with great charisma. But you're far too harsh on Tim Cook. The mistakes you refer to to are more tactical than substantial ... mainly naming and timing errors. What certainly has been happening over the last couple of years is that Apple's competitors have been catching up, especially in the tablet and phone market. That gives the impression that Apple have been declining, but it's misleading.
Yes, the iPad Mini is overpriced and for that reason not likely to be a serious competitor to the Nexus 7 or other tablets. This gives some support to the "Apple's hasn't been the same since Steve Jobs" argument.
BUT what else did Apple unveil besides the iPad Mini?
1. A fourth generation iPad (the larger version) which uses the new A6X processor - which is twice as fast as the A5X processor used by the third generation iPad, but still has a 10 hour battery life.
2. A new version of the MacBook Pro which has a retina display screen for the first time, is 3/4 inch thick and just weighs 3.5 pounds.
3. A new iMac that has a fully laminated display with 75% reduction in reflectivity.
And before that the iPhone 5. It took 22 hours for the iPhone 4S to sell out of its launch-day stock. It took the iPhone 5 just 60 minutes ...
You might say that these amazing products are just the momentum from Steve Jobs before the inevitable crash. But I think that's ascribing god-like status to Steve. One very significant recent trend is that Apple have started to customize their own processor chips. Tim Cooks is an operational genius who was a key figure in switching Apple computers to use Intel chips back in 2006. I don't know for sure, but it's quite possible that he's now behind the implementation of the A6 and A6X.
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Isn't the Nexus 7 what I was talking about in the first place? I don't care about all the other Android tablets since the Nexus 7 is the one that matters and the one I was directly comparing to the ipad mini. My first post in this thread:
Read my quote of you in my first post. Does it mention Google Nexus 7 anywhere in that quote? Now read my entire first post. Did I mention Google Nexus 7 anywhere in that post?
My dispute was to your argument about Android apps vs. iOS apps, not Google Nexus 7. I was simply disputing a single paragraph of your entire post.
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