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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07

    Quote Originally Posted by Bangkok Phil
    all to a backdrop of wailing sirens and megaphones.
    "Keep your hands where we can see them - away from the degree certificate"
    The worst job in Thailand must be the man who has to sit down with a blue marker pen and mark a number two on the two-baht coins to stop people thinking they are one-baht coins.

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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07

    LDMA IS A DUMB CVNT
    Quote Originally Posted by reg the wedge
    yeah? I got out of a cowboy bar at 3:30 last night....
    falling asleep / passing out in an upstairs short time room above a carboy bar hardly counts ......
    Last edited by kingwilly; 29th January 2010 at 11:11.

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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07

    I wonder if there's some dreadlocked Khao San Road counterfeiter getting sweated down at this very moment?

    "Look, all we want are some names. Give us the names and we'll go. It's your choice. Either give us the names and we'll leave or don't give us the names and another Bob Marley album gets it"

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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07

    Quote Originally Posted by torbek
    The school sounds like an absolute bucketshop...
    Would LoveBucket be the head teacher there?

    At the risk of being ran up the flagpole for this, I dont' have too much sympathy for anyone trying to live in a country illegally. If you're not prepared to face the music, don't sneak into the concert; we're not seeking political asylum here.

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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07

    Quote Originally Posted by columbia
    Id like to know what would happen in the case of somebody working on a non-O/non-B with a moody cert married to a Thai with kids (and no, i'm not fishing because I'm in that situation!) and getting caught. Thrown out of LOS? There must be some form of appeal in this case.
    The two teachers I know currently facing the music have a right of appeal. But I don't think they, or anyone else in this situation, would have a leg to stand on.

    Quote Originally Posted by crew
    I dont' have too much sympathy for anyone trying to live in a country illegally.
    That's pretty sad, I suggest you read a bit more on this. There would be very few teachers here if all the 'illegal' ones were removed.

    How many are strictly legal anyway?

    How many have a degree? It's easy to say 'I do' on an anonymous web forum.

    At the end of the day, the teachers involved were asked to get fake degrees by the school, in their situation, what would you do?

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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07

    Quote Originally Posted by bet
    At the end of the day, the teachers involved were asked to get fake degrees by the school, in their situation, what would you do?
    Nobody makes you do, or feel, anything. The choice is always yours--unless caused by torture or some other extreme duress.

    Living in a foreign country lends itself to vulnerability. If your school asks you to put yourself in a vulnerable position, you should find out if they will defend you when push comes to shove...of course they won't. If you're not comfortable breaking the law, don't. If Thailand has a teacher shortage, that's Thailand's problem, not the foreigners'.

    A bit more personal accountability and heightened sense of personal responsibility is never a bad thing.

    I'm usually not such a taskmaster, but excuses only get folks so far in life--especially when defending yourself to the Thai police. Prove you're absolutely innocent, or pay up farang.

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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07

    Quote Originally Posted by columbia
    It seems by reading one post on the Teflwatch forum these people were nicked for having a TL denied or revoked a while back and still continued teaching which makes it a slightly different story from being raided for working on a dodgy cert.
    This is what I find most interesting about what seems to have happened last Friday.

    It appears that MOE is the entity that initiated this action and turned it over to Immigration to enforce. This makes sense in that MOE does not have police powers and Immigration surely does.

    If true, this would dispell the notion that MOE is leaving everything in the hands of the schools when it comes to verifying degrees and such.

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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07


    bullcrap...I've seen many teachers with the fakest of documents get TL and WP. If the school says it's OK, then it's OK.
    MoE can't check on anything, won't, don't have the time. Police can't check, won't, don't have the time. They probably knew about all these teachers for some time and are now cleaning up. Once they get more names, they'll do it again. I think a trip to Khaosan Rd. and 1 clean up every 2 years is not bad.
    Last edited by mustafarodupthere; 15th January 2007 at 08:32.

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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07

    You need to look at the top post on page 12 of the "Consequences of a Fake Degree" thread.

    If it's happening, it's a good thing IMHO.

    You are free to disagree.

    My guess is that you will.

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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07

    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    falling asleep / passing out in an upstairs short time room above a carboy bar hardly counts
    Type o I assume, from his other posts I would not believe reg the wedge is a man's man.
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    Right behind the glass lays a real blade of grass.
    Be careful as you pass, move along move along.

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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07

    Quote Originally Posted by mustafarodupthere
    If the school says it's OK, then it's OK.
    Right??? All intelligent teachers listen to what their schools say.

    Rationalize it however you want. It won't help when the law comes to pay a visit. Right or wrong, you need to know the realities of the country in which you reside. If the authorities want to bait folks into breaking the laws, you need to be aware of it and act accordingly.

    Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07

    Quote Originally Posted by mustafarodupthere
    MoE can't check on anything, won't, don't have the time. Police can't check, won't, don't have the time. They probably knew about all these teachers for some time and are now cleaning up. Once they get more names, they'll do it again. I think a trip to Khaosan Rd. and 1 clean up every 2 years is not bad.
    If they can't, don't and won't check then how do they get any names? If they can't, won't and don't do anything then why are they raiding schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by mustafarodupthere
    I've seen many teachers with the fakest of documents get TL and WP. If the school says it's OK, then it's OK.
    It seems like the people they were puling in last week had TLs and WPs, or at least had at some time in the past and were happily working away at a school who told them to use fake docs. Doesn't look like it was the school who shopped 'em mate!
    Excuse me for not taking this seriously .....

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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny danger
    Betcha a dalla they never come to the sticks.
    My school and the school next door were raided late last year. Nobody was arrested, but some folks at the neighboring school did get fired for having fake or insufficient degrees.
    Posted about it here (as did at least one other person) and felt the wrath of the naysayers, ostriches and scoffers.
    As I said at the time, Thailand's a big place and not everything that happens is reported on ajarn.com

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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07

    Quote Originally Posted by bet
    That's pretty sad, I suggest you read a bit more on this. There would be very few teachers here if all the 'illegal' ones were removed
    Bullshit, in the poor schools perhaps. Work in a professional establishment and you can't get by on a fake degree, the school itself will check up before TL and work permit is processed.

    Kick all the fakes out, make the industry more proffessional and the salaries will go up for those of us left. The downside is there will be a huge teacher shortage and this will affect poor govt schools the most I'd suspect. But, who in LOS really gives a fuck about economically disadvantaged people when there is money to be made.

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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07

    Quote Originally Posted by crew
    Right??? All intelligent teachers listen to what their schools say.

    Rationalize it however you want. It won't help when the law comes to pay a visit. Right or wrong, you need to know the realities of the country in which you reside. If the authorities want to bait folks into breaking the laws, you need to be aware of it and act accordingly.

    Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
    Now that's what I'd call a funny guy!!!

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