Umbuku

Tae Kwon Do, Black belt

Hapkido Brown belt

Mixed techniques from other disiplines like elbows and knees from Muay Borat, Iado techniques in stick and sword, along with some other weapon training and Krabi Krabong staff/pole arm techniques.

Mixed or blended styles are the way to grow and evolve your own training in my opinion.
Of course your master wants to discourage you from cross training, he wants you to stay with him in his club eventually training other students for him and making him more money.

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LeedsLeedsLeeds

I've only ever trained in Muay Thai and know nothing about other martial arts so it wouldn't be fair to make a comparison. I, like other posters on this thread, am now out of shape and really need to get back into it. My boxing instructor is also a very close friend of mine - more hours with bottles of whisky than with sparring equipment - and he keeps asking me to come back and train again. We'll see, but I need to do something to improve my fitness first.

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Silverfox

ive fought and trained with a lot of people and nothing meets the skill,power,conditioning and hardness of a good muay thai fighter. I am lucky to have trained with and been ringside with a fewworld svand lumpini fighters..trust me, no one gets away from a properly executed thai knee to the sternum or spinning backward elbow to the head..I have trained with guys 20kg lighter than me who take everything i throw and smile even though it hurts. Ok, once it goes to ground it all changes - but forget your hapkido, kung fu, kyukoshin, taekwondo etc etc for standup....none of these styles ever works against proper muay thai (gloves or no gloves). Its a shame as there are thais (Johmod/Samkor/Buakaw/Saenchai/Samranchai/Anuwat Kaewsamrit) who wouldve destroyed Bruce Lee but none of them ever got his recognition.....
anyway my thruppence worth!

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irishntg

Silverfox where did you fight??????????????

kingwilly

Point of clarification, he did not discorauge me from learning other styles, just from trying to mix them.

A kung fu stance cannot impart the power of a spinning backkick, likewise a muay thai stance cannot impart the power of the one ince punch!

oh yeah, he made me do a year of muay thai once too. a good style.

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reinvented

interesting thread

persaonally i think modern muay thai is overrated, no disrespect to any one
its just not the complete system

muay thai fighters do well as mentioned because of conditioning and professionalism, but modern muay thai has no ground game

ummers... i presume you mean muay BOran, not Borat which is kazakhstani , that and muay chaiya are much more complete

i had the good fortune to meet a thai army major who was responsible for training empty handed combat techniques for the thai paras

it was amazing that the training he gave to me was very much the repetition of blocks etc. more usually associated witrth traditional martial arts.

MMA and UFC etc has shown the way forward, cross training because few arts are complete

personally i think its the fighter not the style

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Umbuku

't' and 'n' can often be confused in translating Thai words.
My instructor called it Borat and spelled it that way.

Is nice. I like.

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2Pac

My master would say that the person with the least respect for the law and the smallest brain would win every match...

What goes on in your head while you are streetfighting is very different from what you do in a dojo or a studio.

If you meet a guy that does not care if he kills you and you are worried about your stance, who would win?

As a martial artist I have learned to think that I can kill with one kick, I go to jail (not interested).

It doesnt matter if you study martial arts or not, when pushed one can win every fight you have.

I have trained TKD for 6 years, Black belt. I did some Wing Chun, JJ, Aikido, a few different Gung Fu styles.

All my teachers has told me the same, one have to use the moves that suit your body, not what the style dictates. If you are fat and old a roundhouse kick to the head is out of question, but a short blow to the heart can kill. One have to know what you can do and do that.

Bruce Lee was great, not because he was good, but because he understood the meaning of utilizing his strenghts and find your opponents weaknesses.

The best system in the world? who knows, a guy with long feet would be very happy to be kicking, but a weak girl should not do Muey Thai, yes?

Everyone is different, find something that helps you to improve your strenghts.

I have play fought with many different styles, points, streetfights. All it takes is one lucky blow and you will go down. One finger in the Eye and you can't see. One preassure point and you cant walk for a day or two..

K1 is not streetfight, there are rules and once you have rules the really dangerous people will dissappear. Why did BJJ win the first few UFC'S? Because the mixed the martial arts and they had to wear a suit or uniform, BJJ played to that. What happened after they allowed people to wear only a little shorts? Other people started to win.

What would happen if you pitted a good Thai fighter agains a UCF/K1 fighter, I bet you 9 out of 10 the UFC/K1 fighter would win, why because they figh with less rules. You put rules in that fight 10 out of 10 fights will be won by the Thai fighter.

zehner

K1 has slightly modified kickboxing rules. they run another show called "Heros" which is MMA based.

MMA is the fastest growing sport in the USA if not the world. The present pro fighters have to be well versed in all aspects of the martial arts to get to the top now. The current top ranked fighter heavyweight is Fedor Emilianenko....he'll be fighting in M-1 in Japan in december, should be a great show.

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jimbo

^^ Iceman's points are EXACTLY why defensive styles are the ONLY styles for me!!

Zman, enjoy the show matey, I'm not much of a 'fight watcher,,' tho.
I only heard about the Braz Juji's often taking K-1...

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2Pac

Better to walk away, even if it means that you will lose face, when did we ever care about that?

Every good defence is a hidden attac, like in Wing Chung, you block with a strike.

Question, how far would you go in a streetfight? would you knock the other person out? would you injure him for life? would you kill him?
Personally I think the winner is the one who can raise above it all and just walk away. I do agree that sometimes one have to stand ground and fight, but how far would you go?

Every martial artist knows it only takes one hit to the head and you can kill the other person, are you willing to take that chance?

Not to talk bad abot Wing Chun or all defensive styles, but one has to learn the way to attac also. I was training with some Aikido people a few years back, I had a black belt in TKD and I was searching for something to supplement it with. I found Aikido after watching the "famous" Steven Seagal. I thought I would have a look at it.

All I learnt was that nothing they taught me worked. They said that all the energy had to move and use the other persons energy... I asked if we could show so I would attack and they would block or immobilize me. They never managed to do that.

After that I went to Ireland and I met this "chap" that used to teach the Japanese Riot Police Aikido. I asked him about my previous experiences and he told me that there were two types of Aikido. So he showed me what was different. I asked him if we could try and we did. He knocked me out very fast several times, and we had some good fun.

The point is that even if you learn one style, you have to be open for other styles as they will never attack in one special way. In a fight there is no specific setup.

I have been in many fights "as a result of different work I have done" and I have found out that an attack is the best defence. To imobolize anyone, go for the throat and bend the chin left or right. then cover the nose and eyes and your opponent will give up very quick. However distance is also a very important thing. I have yet to see a man standing after a well placed forehead in someones face (You will go down).

almost forgot, the more ruthless you are, the greater the chance of you winning.

Loxley

If you cannot possibly escape from a fight situation (agreed what is losing face compared with having to slot someone) then you only have one choice in a fight and that is the kill the other person, because thats what they will do to you (intentionally or otherwise)

Theres a lot to be said for proportionality....but in a street fight situation, kill or run...if you attempt to control your opponent you will probably lose

Lets face it, we do this for the love of the art...I do anyway...and to protect the weak/loved ones....thats always been my philosophy

Looking at the the talk of various arts talked about above...theres a split between martial arts for fighters/boxers and martial arts for ordinary people....I definatly belong to the later camp and have every faith that Wing Chun will serve me well for any situation that I might find myself in

Great contributions everyone

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zehner

that's a bit extreme ain't it? i thought a kick in the balls would do...

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To stare, big-eyed Narcissus, into some spring
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To see myself, to set the darkness echoing.