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    Noakes's big fat mistake

    Sports and nutrition guru Professor Tim Noakes says it's not carbs we should be loading but proteins and fat, contradicting the established wisdom of decades that athletes should follow a high carbs diet.
    http://www.iol.co.za/lifestyle/noake...1#.UHF3volhic0
    His advice is not just directed at athletes. Noakes claims that a large part of the population could benefit from a low-carbs diet.
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    Carbs make you fat if you don't use their total energy content. Control the carbs in your diet and with some exercise you will lose weight.

    Load carbs in the meal before a big work out or physical event. Load protein in the meal afterward. Don't know where this high carb diet stuff comes from. Must be those women's magazines.

    He also discovered that his low-carb eating plan was first prescribed in 1861 by Harley Street surgeon, William Harvey, to London undertaker, William Banting, earning it the name the Harvey/Banting diet. Banting became the standard treatment for weight loss until it went out of fashion in 1959, replaced by the current “heart healthy” high-carb/low-fat diet.

    Dr Robert Atkins rediscovered Banting in 1974.
    Think it's been around a lot longer than that.

    “Protein is a potent appetite suppressant perhaps because a too-high protein diet is toxic to humans. As a result, low-carbohydrate diets with increased protein do not cause the frequent sensations of hunger and privation that accompany calorie-restricted, high-carbohydrate diets.
    Really!! I did not know that...

    Food science, telling you what your grandmother did but with bigger words.
    We could all sit outside on banana lounges discussing the best way to rebuild a 4WD transmission and agree, through shared stories of conquests supporting our assertions, that there is no basis to the proposition that those least assured of their persuasions are the first to condemn others for theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tungsten View Post
    Noakes's big fat mistake
    was not checking his insurance and then falling foul of Biddy Baxter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbuku View Post
    Carbs make you fat if you don't use their total energy content. Control the carbs in your diet and with some exercise you will lose weight.
    What I find most interesting about Noakes' argument is he's saying that not everyone can metabolize refined carbohydrates efficiently. People who can't metabolize carbs efficiently are going to gain weight if they follow a high carb diet. Such people he calls"CR" = carbohydrate resistant. On the other hand, he says that if you're following a high carbs diet but remain lean, then you're not CR and so there's no need to switch to a low carb diet. Noakes points out that humans have only been eating cereals and grains for 20000 years (compared to 2.5 million years for meat) so it's not surprising that many humans still have a problem with metabolizing carbs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Umbuku View Post
    Load carbs in the meal before a big work out or physical event. Load protein in the meal afterward. Don't know where this high carb diet stuff comes from. Must be those women's magazines.
    Running magazines heavily promoted a high carb-low fat diet for runners, at least in the 1990s, when I started running marathons. Not just carbo-loading in the days before a marathon, but as an ongoing thing. Also the chapter on nutrition in Tim Noakes book "Lore of Running" recommends a high carb and low fat diet. But he's now telling people to tear out that chapter.
    Going off topic a bit ... I have a high regard for Noakes as a sports scientist and writer. His "Lore of Running" is in my opinion the best book on running ever written (even if you tear out that chapter).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan Jones View Post
    was not checking his insurance and then falling foul of Biddy Baxter?
    Who was Biddy Baxter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tungsten View Post
    Who was Biddy Baxter?
    Seriously?

    Biddy Baxter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbuku View Post
    Load carbs in the meal before a big work out or physical event. Load protein in the meal afterward.
    Yeah, okay, I'm writing this stuff down.

    Now, beer is what? Carbs or protein?
    There are few problems in life that cannot be solved with toast.

    One of them, however, is opening a can of corned beef with that stupid key. This cannot easily be done at the best of times, and toast is of surprisingly little use in resolving the issue.







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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamBlake View Post
    Carbs or protein?
    It's all of them, isn't it? It's been proved. Somewhere.

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    Yeah, I like to load carbs and hit protein and maintain electrolytes and reduce free radicals.

    I don't really. I eat and I drink and I breathe. Isn't that enough?

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    Biddy had me going to Google as well.

    ---Update---

    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamBlake View Post
    Now, beer is what? Carbs or protein?
    Carbs. Unless you put it on your steaks on the barbie, then it becomes protein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamBlake View Post
    Yeah, I like to load carbs and hit protein and maintain electrolytes and reduce free radicals.

    I don't really. I eat and I drink and I breathe. Isn't that enough?
    It depends what you want. Some people enjoy extreme physical challenges, whether it's running a marathon or climbing Everest. More people just want to feel better and look better. In both cases, eating and drinking right increases your chances of getting what you want.

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    "Bread and pasta taste good, so I ate too much of it. Rice and noodles don't, so I eat only what I need."

    An excerpt from "How I Lost Weight in Thailand"

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamBlake View Post
    Now, beer is what?
    an essential nutrient, like coffee. try and keep up.
    Imodium can't stop me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeusbheld View Post
    an essential nutrient, like coffee. try and keep up.
    I'm still struggling with the 5 essential food groups.

    Let's see: pizza, pies, KFC, steak and.... soup?

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