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Old 10th May 2008, 11:20   #76 (permalink)
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Money pours in for Burma, which creaks open door
By Deutsche Presse-Agentur


Money poured in to the United Nations to help Burma recover from the cyclone disaster while the military government creaked open the door slightly for aid deliveries.

International aid organizations warned Friday that diphtheria, cholera and malaria could spread in an epidemic of "apocalyptic proportions" if medical, food, water and other types of aid are not allowed to land, along with trained personnel to administer the support.
The World Food Programme agreed to resume relief flights into Burma after suspending them when government authorities impounded 38 tons of aid it had delivered to the disaster-struck country.

After Cyclone Nargis levelled the low-lying Irrawaddy Delta area of the south-east Asian country nearly a week ago, death toll estimates have grown.

While the government has confirmed 23,000 deaths and another 42,000 missing, UN officials on Friday estimated the death toll will climb to 63,000 to 100,000 based on reports from 18 aid organizations working in 55 devastated Burmese townships.

In a sign that the Burmese government was more open to receiving aid, it gave permission to a US military aircraft to make one C-130 cargo plane delivery on Monday, Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for the National Security Council, said.

The International Federation of the Red Cross (IFRC) in Geneva said humanitarian aid had reached around 220,000 people, despite logistical difficulties.

Diplomatic efforts to pressure the military junta to allow in more aid were continuing.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Thursday talked with the Chinese and Indian foreign ministers, urging them to "use whatever leverage they have with that top decision-making layer in the Burmese regime to get them to reverse the course that they have been on," and allow in further international assistance, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.

The UN said it had received pledges of 77 million dollars out of the total of 187 million dollars that it has asked for to fund international relief efforts.

In New York, UN officials said that Nargis could be the worst cyclone to hit Asia since 1991, when 138,000 were killed in Bangladesh.

"Based on assessment of 18 agencies and their assessment in 55 townships, we estimate currently that the number of severely affected population lies between 1.2 and 1.9 million," said John Holmes, the UN undersecretary general for emergency relief efforts.

An estimated 13 million people of Burma's population of 53 million live in areas hit by the cyclone.

Tim Costello, chief executive of World Vision Australia, told reporters through a video link to London that rescue workers were in a "race against time" and warned of an epidemic of "apocalyptic proportions" that could follow the cyclone.

"We certainly know that once an epidemic starts it's difficult to stop and becomes of apocalyptic proportions. The potential for this epidemic is extremely probable," said Costello.

While the UN reported problems acquiring visas for its relief teams, the Red Cross said seven of its people so far had been granted entry and they expected more to enter the country in the coming days.

US Ambassador to the United Nations Zalmay Khalilzad said the UN should reinforce immediately its relief activities before the death toll climbs higher. He said a US warship is off the Gulf of Thailand with 23 helicopters that could be used to ferry aid to Burma in addition to the initial donation of 5 million dollars.

"We are prepared to do more and we urge the Myanmar government to immediately give access to the UN and the entry to all humanitarian personnel regardless of their nationalities," Khalilzad said.

Japan pledged another 10 million dollars while some other Asian nations like Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore and the Philippines pledged between 200,000 dollars and 1 million dollars.

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The unravelling of the burmese junta
Published on May 10, 2008

Today's referendum aside, Cyclone Nargis might spell the end of the generals' heartless rule

Today a portion of Burma's population will vote in a nationwide referendum on the country's new charter, imposed on them by the military junta. Of course, they don't have much of a choice. To vote against the junta is dangerous and anything can happen. Not all voters will vote today, as those in areas devastated by Cyclone Nargis will vote at a later date.

Despite the UN's appeal for it to concentrate on helping the victims of the cyclone last weekend, the junta is adamant that the referendum continue despite growing problems resulting from the disaster. Apparently, the junta's leaders put their people's well-being second to their political schemes. The generals are concerned about their political survival and everything must go according to plan.

In the Buddhist world, whatever you do, whether actions that bring you merit or evil deeds, will come back to you. Nobody can escape the results of one's own actions or, as we call it, destiny. In this sense, one may regard the cyclone tragedy as an act of "karma", because for the Buddhist Burmese junta it was an act of punishment for all the bad deeds they have inflicted on the Burmese people over nearly two decades, not to mention their killing of innocent monks last September, which is the greatest evil of all. Indeed, we might witness the unravelling of the regime led by these heartless junta leaders who have ruled Burma without mercy. Mother Nature can unleash its power in unimaginable ways.

UN agencies and select international organisations have dispatched emergency aid and humanitarian assistance over the past few days, but more would be coming from around the world if junta leaders allowed it. At the moment, despite pledges from Burmese authorities that they would facilitate the entry of foreign aid workers into the country, hundreds of them remain stranded in Thailand and other neighbouring countries. Further delays could worsen the situation and further increase the death toll, which is already believed to have exceeded 100,000.

At this juncture, all donor countries have put their political positions aside, especially the US and EU countries. They have come together with the goal of helping the Burmese people as their top priority. China has been no exception; it has moved quickly to aid Burma. Beijing knows full well that foreign aid if unchecked would further complicate the political situation in the future. But then, to cope with a disaster like this no single country can effectively deal with the myriad problems involved. Only a well-coordinated and sustainable plan can alleviate the hardships the cyclone has caused.

Along with the international community, Asean as a group can do more than its members can individually. The grouping is stuck with its non-interference principle, even in a situation like this, and Asean is unable to do anything collectively. Asean Secretary-General Surin Pitsuwan has already appealed to Burma's leaders to cooperate with Asean and international donors. During the East Timor crisis in 1999, Indonesia showed the Asean spirit by inviting Asean peacekeeping efforts to help with the situation there. That helped ease the peacekeeping operations and the overall peace process in the months that followed.

It is about time for Burma to display the same solidarity with Asean. The grouping can only move when Burma invites it in. If that does not happen, only individual member countries can provide minimal relief assistance. Other regional organisations - such as the EU and the African Union - have mechanisms in place to provide emergency relief for member countries.

People's lives matter more than the junta. By being on the ground in Burma, Asean could use its reputation to draw in additional aid. It is absurd indeed to think that Asean as a group cannot do anything. The Asean Charter, which is waiting for ratification by all, will mean nothing if the Burmese people continue to suffer and die due to the intransigence of the junta. Asean's leaders should act in solidarity to bring the burden of responsibility to bear on the junta. A failure to do so will hurt Asean and its future.

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Old 11th May 2008, 05:21   #77 (permalink)
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Re: 30,000 Dead in Burma - 200,000?

ITV news has just said that aid agencies are claiming that 200,000 are dead which could rise to 500,000 without emergency aid. Meanwhile, the voting on the new constitution is going ahead.

The UN needs to do something now. Fuck international law, this is a crisis on the same scale as the 2004 tsunami and the government won't let aid in. People are going to be dying of diseases now, its been 5 days. Apparently 15% of affected people have received contact and aid, so 85% are going without. The UN needs to go in with troops now.
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You think a war on top of a natural disaster will improve things? And who's going to provide the troops? UK & USA certainly can't - they're too busy "sorting out" Iraq & Afghanistan.
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Old 11th May 2008, 06:16   #79 (permalink)
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Re: 30,000 Dead in Burma

I may be showing some naivity here, but I don't believe the Burmese troops would be interested in fighting a war at the moment. The UN can get troops from any member states, Japan, Germany, France, Italy, Canada. It may be illegal to get them in, but as long as all they're doing is distributing aid, I can't imagine they'd come under fire.
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Un going in with troops doesn't nesisarily mean war
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^^ I think the Junta would fight; fuck yeah. That's what they do. It's all very well saying that the UN can get troops from anywhere, but when it really comes down to it, do those states really want to send their boys in to get killed (as is always the potential outcome of military intervention) just to save some people in a country thousands of miles away? I'm afraid the quagmire in Iraq and the difficulties in Afghanistan have made everyone think twice about military intervention.

From the Junta's point of view, it has every reason to believe that the West could attempt regime change. It is certainly worried about foreign troops entering its territory - and you can bet there'd be a fight if such action took place without their consent.

This is a very, very tricky situation, and ultimately everything has to be done with the Junta's consent; it's all about damage limitation. If the Junta refuses help, then the West has no reason to feel guilty over the deaths which will follow.
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I take your point, re_fuse, but what I'm saying is that we are not, in fact, all-powerful. Sometimes we can't help. If more people realised that, we wouldn't have fuck-ups like Iraq.
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If the Junta refuses help, then the West has no reason to feel guilty over the deaths which will follow.
I don't think that's a reason to do nothing.

The key here is the Chinese. They're never going criticise the Burmese, but a UN force consisting mainly/entirely of Chinese troops, in to distribute aid, would be a solution. What better way for the Chinese to begin to heal some of their wounds in the olympic year?

No country could deal with this situation alone, if our troops would end up fighting, I agree, its a rubbish idea, but surely Chinese troops would be allowed?
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I don't know. It's certainly an idea. The problem is the paranoia of the Burmese regime. If they suspect something's up, they'll freak, I reckon. I don't know whether they'd be prepared to take the chance of having any foreign troops on their turf. The Chinese have been known to "annex" the odd state or two in the past...
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I take your point, re_fuse, but what I'm saying is that we are not, in fact, all-powerful. Sometimes we can't help. If more people realised that, we wouldn't have fuck-ups like Iraq.
Iraq was a fuck up because the people of Iraq were never going to accept a military invasion. In this case, I imagine foreigners bringing food would be welcomed by the people with open arms.
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Iraq was a fuck up because the people of Iraq were never going to accept a military invasion. In this case, I imagine foreigners bringing food would be welcomed by the people with open arms.
As I recall, the Coalition troops were welcomed with open arms by the Iraqi people. It was after the defeat of the Iraqi army that things turned sour. The point is, we cannot foresee how events will unfurl after our military intervention.
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As I recall, the Coalition troops were welcomed with open arms by the Iraqi people.
You fell for the American/British propoganda then?

Off topic anyway.
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What ??? They need food we got food
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