Thread: BNP wins British seats

I'm spite of the wholescale villification that has been going on it appears that the BNP may be far more popular with the electorate than many would like to admit.

And for folks like David Milleband to say that the election of any BNP candidates would be a "national disgrace" is, well, disgracefull.

Protest vote. I don't think as much as many would like to think.

It seems that the spectrum has swung right throughout Europe.

Labour slumps to historic defeat



Harriet Harman: Labour suffered a "very dismal result"

Labour has suffered its worst post-war election result after it was beaten into third place by UKIP and saw the BNP gain its first seats at Brussels. Labour's share of the vote at the European elections was just 15.3% - worse than party bosses had feared.
The Tories won with 28.6%, beating Labour in Wales but failing to increase their total share significantly.
The results have sent shockwaves through UK politics and led to renewed calls for Gordon Brown to quit as PM.
The BNP gained a seat in Yorkshire and Humberside and in the north west of England, where party leader Nick Griffin was elected - the first time the anti-immigration party has won seats at national elections.

BBC NEWS | Politics | Labour slumps to historic defeat

Nice little display of how the different countries voted re: left/right here.

If you're interested in that kind of thing.

BBC NEWS | European Election 2009 | EU Country Results

Originally Posted by Basil Fawlty

Quote: Originally Posted by russellsimpson And for folks like David Milleband to say that the election of any BNP candidates would be a "national disgrace" is, well, disgracefull. Why ??

The people chose between candidates and their choice was BNP.

So what Milliband is saying is that all these folks, his fellow countryment and taxpayers, are disgraceful.

What ever happened to the idea that you congradulate all winners in a democratic system/ process..

Milliband has no class. He's a fucking disgrace.

I hope he's out the door shortly after Brown.

Open up that Euro results map of Parliament.

It seems to show 30 seats were won by no group?

What the fuck gives there.

That member layout map would say that Britain swung "a long way" to the right on Sunday.

Reaction against the ruling party in tough financial times.

Naw, I'm not going to be buying that spin.

British National Party, I dont think so. British Nazi Party more like.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

And for folks like David Milleband to say that the election of any BNP candidates would be a "national disgrace" is, well, disgracefull.

I'm not his biggest fan, but he's spot on there. It is a national disgrace. If so much of the electorate weren't turned off by the politics of the three main parties they would never get a foothold.

I've had a chance to look at the regional breakdowns.

Actually the BNP has come fourth behind LD in many areas.

Hardly what you would call a "fringe" anymore.

Originally Posted by Mr Pants

If so much of the electorate weren't turned off by the politics of the three main parties they would never get a foothold.

I'm not British, but that isn't my reading.

Your saying there are many hundreds of thousands of Nazis in jolly old England then?

Conservative leader David Cameron told party supporters: "It sickens me as it should sicken everybody here that the British National Party has succeeded in these European elections."
"It brings shame on us that these fascist, racist thugs have been elected to the European Parliament."
And Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said politicians had to be "uncompromising" about the BNP which he said was "a party of thugs, of fascists".

Unlike those lilly white conservatives with their snouts stuck firmly in the public trough, eh.


Hey, I've got an idea.

Why not outlaw these people bringing shame on the nation.

Who are the real Nazis I wonder

Breaking News!!


One million fascists and thugs discovered living in Britain.

Housekeeping must be complete.

Ain't no-one left on here to argue politics with anymore.

Nazis per se? No. But people who's views are not unlike those held by Nazi supporters in the 1940s? Yes.

British politics need an almighty kick up the arse, I've never seen so many people in one country turned off by politics.

Good effort Russell for paying an interest in our politics (more than the average Brit I might add)

The way I see this is more of a protest vote since neither UKIP or the BNP are real political parties in the strict sense of the word, they are one trick pony's for those uneducated enough not to have taken advantage of globalisation or the aging population that dont have the maturity to face up to the present (too busy romanticising about how Britain used to be all white).

I think the main parties were being punished because in the uneducated electorate's eyes, the recession is their fault. The wider context is far beyond their grasp

The Irony here is that the same people who stood against the Euro (since that would have entailed a loss of britishness that our forefathers fought and died for, didnt you know)
and now the people suffering the most from the decline in world trade. Had we have joined we would have had an unprecedented level of foreign investment and would be sitting in a much more stable position. We were too proud to accept how interdependent we really are.

There's always a rise of facism and racism during hard times, it comes from a zero sum scarcity mentality, encouraged by a media that makes the most by telling people selective news that conforms to their prejudices.

Yeah Brown lacks charisma, he's the best man for the job and the whinging ignorant tabloid hungry public are about to lose him in favor of an elitist public relations guru with no experience in economic matters.

But something tells me that we all underestimate his resilience

BBC NEWS | Politics | BNP secures two European seats

We have proportional representation in the Euro elections, unlike in our Parliamentary elections, where the most votes wins and everyone else loses. The BNP came 5th in one region but still got a seat, and they polled 10% of a low turnout in another region.

My brown skinned daughter was alarmed enough at the news to send me several texts after midnight when the results came rolling in.

I'm not pleased about it, but some of those towns in the northwest, like Oldham, and in Yorkshire, like Bradford, aren't well integrated at all and they appeal to a certain electorate at hard times like this...doubly so following all the scandals associated with MPs finances.

I think the mainstream parties will find it hard if they continue to refuse to debate with the BNP. I hope they will and I hope the BNP will fade away one day.

Originally Posted by paully

Sure he is. Best of a bad lot you might say

Do you have an alternative in mind? Or just following the tabloid consensus

Originally Posted by Cyrille

About a month ago you were under the impression that the President of the EU was Europe's equivalent of Obama.

You've seriously got your wires crossed on this one Cyrille. I never said that or anything even close.

Originally Posted by Cyrille

As for the BNP - in times of uncertainty some people point at the person who looks different. In Hungary it's the Romany for example. No big deal - inherently racist parties and people will pretty much always be around.

Wow. I must say that I am seriously overwhelmed by the depth of your political understanding as demonstrated here and on the hundreds of other politcal comments you've mad that I've had to drag myself through over the years.

I thought your natural inclination was more towards the soap operas.

Take a word of advice humbly submittede by a fellow poster. Keep away from political discussion

Now, with that out of the way.....

Thanks for the insights. I knew that the new MEP's were elected on the basis of proportional representation.

i wonder if you folks aren't forgetting that the BNP is basically a one issue party. (one trick pony). Bearing that in mind I think their vote was significant. Note also increased Conservative strenght. I think we can safely assume that a certain percentage (on the right) of this group shares some similar values in the area of immigration.

Note as well that, as usual, the so called "extreme right", (why they are characterized this way is simply part of a media and free market fanatic agenda...but I'm not going there now) increased their votes in some other European nations including, it looks like, The Netherlands.

Why is it that the main stream parties, including those soft Greenies, don't want to and nwon't address some rather serious issues in an upfront manner?

Originally Posted by Jon

I think the mainstream parties will find it hard if they continue to refuse to debate with the BNP. I hope they will and I hope the BNP will fade away one day. __________________

Hopefully Jon, that day will not arrive until such time as the main stream parties grow the balls to address the issue. Though I realize that's kinds what you're saying.

Anyway, that's my take.