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    Dutch Election results. Holland makes a turn Britain to follow.

    Some very interesting results out of the Netherlands today.

    It also seems that Immigration is starting to position itself in Britain as the big issue for the general election.

    Who'd have thunk it, eh (apart from me )

    Interesting times lie ahead methinks.

    Is it possible that politicians are going to have to start listening to people's concerns over this issue.

    The big winners in the Netherlands local elections on Wednesday: the D66 democrats and Geert Wilders’ anti-Islam Freedom Party, which made major gains. The GreenLeft party also did well. But the biggest percentage of votes went to independent parties and candidates.
    The Christian Democrats (CDA) and Labour Party, the two parties responsible for the fall of the Dutch cabinet two weeks ago, both lost a large number of seats in the municipal council.The biggest loser of the night was the Socialist Party, which saw much of its popularity of four years ago vanish.
    The conservative VVD, which had done badly in a series of opinion polls, has more or less regained the position it held after the municipal elections of 2006. General public dissatisfaction with the larger established parties was expressed in the large proportion of votes - more than 25 percent of the total - which went to local independent candidates and parties. However, individually, these local parties failed to attract enough voters to become a force to reckon with.
    Largest Labour... just
    The Labour Party remains the largest national party in local politics. Although it sustained severe losses, the damage was less than had been expected. The party received 16 percent of the votes, five percent less than in 2006. However, Labour Party leader Wouter Bos remained optimistic. The election in 2006 was a “monumental victory” that could not be equalled, he argued, adding that he believed these results were a leap forward.
    At the Christian Democratic headquarters the tone was less cheerful. “We would have liked to see better results,” Christian Democrat leader and caretaker Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende commented.
    The Freedom Party of controversial politician Geert Wilders fielded candidates in two cities only, Almere and The Hague. In Almere - a new city not far from Amsterdam - his anti-Islam party became the biggest party. In The Hague it came in second after the Labour Party. More about the Freedom Party victory.

    The Freedom Party of controversial politician Geert Wilders fielded candidates in two cities only, Almere and The Hague. In Almere - a new city not far from Amsterdam - his anti-Islam party became the biggest party. In The Hague it came in second after the Labour Party. More about the Freedom Party victory.

    Very convincing.

    Going to difficult for certain folks to keep their heads in the sand with this result.

    Short term gain for long term pain. I've been saying for years.

    Now the shit hits the fan.

    Anway, newsworthy I figured so i'm just passing it along. I'll reserve any personal comments at this point.

    ---Update---

    I was watching a BBC report today where they were in Petererborough.

    The prime election there seems to be Immigration policy.

    Its a rare election when the main issue isn't bread and butter.

    In an economic climate like the one we find ourselves in, it's amazing that Immigration would be the major issue.

    In Peterborough they visited schools where the schools had developed a long waiting list because of the influx of people who basically didn't have even elementary language skills..

    They they visited the emergency ward at the local general hospital where a staff of three had been turned into a staff of seven medical doctors. Needless to say there were long waiting lists.

    Now were I an individual born and raised in that town and had a child on a waiting list for the school I would be right pissed.

    If I needed medical care and had to join a long line I'd be even more pissed.

    Buckle up folks. Interesting times ahead.

    Bloody disastous if you want my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    The Christian Democrats (CDA) and Labour Party, the two parties responsible for the fall of the Dutch cabinet two weeks ago, both lost a large number of seats in the municipal council.

    “We would have liked to see better results,” Christian Democrat leader and caretaker Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende commented.
    That's it, Jan Peter, tell it how it is...
    Interesting, as you say, Russ. The Labour Party in Britain are making something of a comeback in the opinion polls of late vis a vis the Tories, but we'll have to see once the election campaign has officially started.
    Can't always take the polls as gospel, I'm reading an interesting book about the 1970s in Britain which emphasises how Harold Wilson's Labour Party were so far ahead of Edward Heath's Tory Party for all of the 1970 election campaign that everyone (including Heath's own advisers) wrote the Tories off, only for the latter to win on election day itself. It ain't over till it's over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    The Freedom Party of controversial politician Geert Wilders fielded candidates in two cities only, Almere and The Hague. In Almere - a new city not far from Amsterdam - his anti-Islam party became the biggest party. In The Hague it came in second after the Labour Party. More about the Freedom Party victory. The Freedom Party of controversial politician Geert Wilders fielded candidates in two cities only, Almere and The Hague. In Almere - a new city not far from Amsterdam - his anti-Islam party became the biggest party. In The Hague it came in second after the Labour Party. More about the Freedom Party victory. Very convincing.
    What is very convincing? . . .
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    In Peterborough they visited schools where the schools had developed a long waiting list because of the influx of people who basically didn't have even elementary language skills..
    What does that mean? . . .
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    They they visited the emergency ward at the local general hospital where a staff of three had been turned into a staff of seven medical doctors. Needless to say there were long waiting lists.
    Wouldn't waiting lists be shorter, with seven instead of three doctors? . . .

    . . . and what's the connection with The Netherlands? . . .

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    There are always chinks in the armor of Russell's reasoning. Or is that armoire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Going to difficult for certain folks to keep their heads in the sand with this result.
    Names please.

    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    They they visited the emergency ward at the local general hospital where a staff of three had been turned into a staff of seven medical doctors. Needless to say there were long waiting lists.
    A waiting list of what? Doctors?

    What on earth are you babbling about now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrille View Post
    Originally Posted by russellsimpson Going to difficult for certain folks to keep their heads in the sand with this result.Names please.
    What I'm referring to here are the politicians who have been encouraging a policy that's now obviously proven to be disastrous.

    Absolutely no long term planning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrille View Post
    A waiting list of what? Doctors? What on earth are you babbling about now?
    Twice the number of doctors and longer waiting lists.

    A few questions should be popping into your head at this point.

    Firstly,twice the doctors means twice the cost. And that's coming out of the public purse.

    Doesn't it make sense to you that the infrasture for things like schools and medical care should be in place before you dump a boatload of folks into the system ?

    Sure as hell makes sense to me.

    I should be the case that governments operate in the national best interests of its citizenry.

    So how is it in the best interest of the ordinary brit to have to be forced into a system of stretched and probably less than adequate social resources.

    I mean who the hell is benefitting by having hundred of families coming into the area who don't seem to have any English skills and have been without adequate medical serice for so long that the first thing they are going to do is hang out at the medical offices.

    It's bullshit and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manned-rake View Post
    There are always chinks in the armor of Russell's reasoning.
    That kind of statement is always a slippery slope MR.

    No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird71 View Post
    Originally Posted by russellsimpson In Peterborough they visited schools where the schools had developed a long waiting list because of the influx of people who basically didn't have even elementary language skills..What does that mean? . . .
    It means that hundreds or thousand of families are moving into areas where the infrasture hasn't been expanded , so we get a lot more people fighting for diminishing resources.

    Is this what you call good and responsible government planning.

    In my mind it's the exact antithesis.

    ---Update---

    Quote Originally Posted by Bird71 View Post
    . . and what's the connection with The Netherlands? . . .
    Big public backlash against what has been an abysmal lack of adequate planning around population and resource issues.

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