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    Okay.

    As nearly as I can make out this is the preface to the Tory manifesto.

    The actual manifesto is 120 pages log

    <H1>The Conservative Manifesto 2010

    A country is at its best when the bonds between people are strong and when the sense of national purpose is clear. Today the challenges facing Britain are immense. Our economy is overwhelmed by debt, our social fabric is frayed and our political system has betrayed the people. But these problems can be overcome if we pull together and work together. If we remember that we are all in this together.
    Some politicians say: ‘give us your vote and we will sort out all your problems’. We say: real change comes not from government alone. Real change comes when the people are inspired and mobilised, when millions of us are fired up to play a part in the nation’s future.
    Yes this is ambitious. Yes it is optimistic. But in the end all the Acts of Parliament, all the new measures, all the new policy initiatives, are just politicians’ words without you and your involvement.
    How will we deal with the debt crisis unless we understand that we are all in this together? How will we raise responsible children unless every adult plays their part? How will we revitalise communities unless people stop asking ‘who will fix this?’ and start asking ‘what can I do?’ Britain will change for the better when we all elect to take part, to take responsibility – if we all come together. Collective strength will overpower our problems.
    Only together can we can get rid of this government and, eventually, its debt. Only
    Together can we get the economy moving. Only together can we protect the NHS. Improve our schools. Mend our broken society. Together we can even make politics and politicians work better. And if we can do that, we can do anything. Yes, together we can do anything.
    So my invitation today is this: join us, to form a new kind of government for Britain.

    </H1>
    Okay. We 've got the Kennedyesque

    How will we revitalise communities unless people stop asking ‘who will fix this?’ and start asking ‘what can I do?’
    As an outsider I'm going to have to say this is somewhat short of being inspirational.

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    01 Invitation to Join the Government of Britian
    02 Contents
    03 Foreword
    04 Chapter 1_Change the Economy_Introduction
    05 Benchmarks for Britain
    06 Ensure macroeconomic stability
    07 Create a more balance economy
    08 Get Britain working again
    09 Encourage enterprise
    10 Ensure the whole country shares in rising prosperity
    11 Reform public services to deliver better value for money
    12 Create a safer banking system that serves the needs of the economy
    13 Build a greener economy
    14 Chapter 2_Change Society_Introduction
    15 Build the Big Society
    16 Make Britain the most family friendly country in Europe
    17 Back the NHS
    18 Raise standards in schools
    19 Fight back against crime
    20 Chapter 3_Change Politics_Introduction
    21 Make politics more accountable
    22 Make politics more transparent
    23 Make politics more local
    24 Restore our civil liberties
    25 Strengthen the union
    26 Chapter 4_Protect the environment_Introduction
    27 Combat climate change
    28 Conserve and enhance the natural environment
    29 Chapter 5_Promote our national interest_Introduction
    30 Defend our security
    31 A liberal Conservative foreign policy
    32 An open and democratic Europe
    33 One World Conservatism
    When being run out of town, get in front of the crowd and make it appear like a parade.

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    It's all about togetherness, inclusion and empowerment.

    They are really piling on the schmaltz.

    I think they must have spent more time looking over the pond than labour.

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    I think I understand the arguments against proportional representation.

    But gosh at some point this really is going to be looked at, and seriously at some point.

    These seem to be the highlights

    Community 'right to bid' to run post offices
    Eliminate bulk of structural deficit over a parliament
    Cut £6bn 'wasteful' spending in 2010/11
    Cut number of MPs by 10%
    Annual limit on non-EU economic migrants
    Give parents power to save local schools due to close
    Give voters power to sack MPs for "serious wrongdoing"
    Scrap ID cards
    MPs to get vote on repealing hunting ban
    Raise stamp duty threshold to £250k for first-time buyers
    BBC News - Cameron: Tory manifesto will change Britain for better

    I think they must have spent more time looking over the pond than labour.
    Still early day Cy.

    ---Update---

    I think we've got us a horserace.

    ---Update---

    Gosh I hate the way the forum format scrambles charts.

    Is there no way around that.

    Indeciperable really
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    Try putting [ code] [/ code] around it
    Daniel Bedingfield claimed that his new album is what it would sound like if Sting, Stevie Wonder and Micheal Jackson were in a basement together - I haven't got the album so I'll have to imagine the sound of a blind bloke and a Geordie kicking the shit out of a pedophile.

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    That doesn't seem to work Cream.

    Thanks though for the suggestion.

    Anyway, I'll go back and delete the scrambled stuff.

    ---Update---

    Anyway, gonna leave this now.

    The biggest change in voter intention appears to be in Greater London and the NorthEast.

    At this point around a five percent shift from 2005.

    ---Update---

    A bit dry and boring I know.

    But what the hell.

    ---Update---

    Bottom line being that last week we had us a hard ten+and now we've got us a soft six.

    Not to shabby, even by Canadian standards.

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    oh i think it's great. to me it clearly suggests that they're gonna put liquid lsd into the drinking water if they win.

    "vast and black. the thing that was poised, like a crow over the moon. round and smooth. cannon balls. things that have fallen from the sky to this earth. our slippery brains. things like cannon balls have fallen, in storms, upon this earth. like cannon balls are things that, in storms, have fallen to this earth. showers of blood. showers of blood. showers of blood. " c.f.

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    Four new polls tonight. The one that will get the most attention is Populus, who have the lead right down to 3 points, however the sad truth is polls that show the extreme leads and the sharp movements get the attention from the media, but they are no more likely to be right than the rather dull ones not showing much movement at all (if anything, itís the other way round).
    Populus Poll is showing only three percent.

    That's a dead heat.


    We should see the LD manifesto today.
    Thursday the tv debates begin.

    ---Update---

    The UGov and other "internet" driven sites are showing wider swings.

    These types of companies are probably okay for suggesting general trends and "issues for the moment"

    For reliability the long termers like Populus and Angus Read are miles ahead on the methodology.

    ---Update---







    There was I thought to be a thoughtfull article in the Telegraph written by Labour member Frank Field.





    <H1>Why is there no talk about immigration?

    It is one of the voters' greatest concerns - but politicians are turning a deaf ear, says Frank Field.



    By Frank Field
    Published: 6:48PM BST 13 Apr 2010
    Comments 67 | Comment on this article

    The size of our population matters to voters Photo: PA


    The economy and immigration are the two big issues that voters wish to see debated at this election. The economy has already featured in the clashes between the main parties. But, despite brief mentions in the manifestos, immigration is the issue that dare not speak its name.
    No sensible person is calling for a policy of no immigration. It is the scale of population change, which over the past decade has transformed parts of Britain, that voters wish to make an election issue. A continuation of mass immigration on roughly the present scale will bring the population of the UK to 70 million in 20 years – and the growth won't stop there, unless we are prepared to control drastically the size of net migration. Immigration will account for 70 per cent of this population increase. This is what needs to be tackled.


    We have just lived through 10 fat years of public expenditure increases, of a scale we are unlikely ever to see again. Yet, even as most budgets doubled during the past decade, the pressures on our public services due to immigration were plain.
    Maternity units are struggling as 25 per cent of all births in England and Wales are to foreign-born mothers – in London that proportion is 50 per cent. Primary schools in some areas have to resort to portable classrooms to cope with new arrivals, and are forced to redirect teachers' time to teaching English rather than ensuring that the weakest pupils succeed.
    Housing is another area where pressures have been allowed to build. Nearly 40 per cent of all new households over the next 25 years will form due to immigration – an average of nearly 100,000 extra households every year. We are not building homes to match this demand and that is why the waiting list for social housing in England has gone up by 60 per cent in seven years, leaving Britain's white and black citizens at the end of the queue.

    </H1>



    This ones good for a chuckle I thought




    Why is there no talk about immigration? - Telegraph

    I'm thinking that the polls are going to stay very tight right down to the last weekend of the campaign.

    ---Update---

    Lib Dems to unveil 'serious' 2010 election manifesto


    Nick Clegg is due to present the manifesto in the morning

    The Liberal Democrats will present their election manifesto later, saying it is a "serious" plan for government that the voters can "trust". The four main themes of the 103-page booklet are fair taxes, more chances for children, a fairer and greener economy, and cleaning up politics.
    Policies include a guarantee to protect the state pension, and more pay for members of the armed forces.
    Labour pledge a "fair future"; the Tories to change the UK for the better.



    a "serious" plan for government that the voters can "trust".

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    A senior Tory told The Times: “This is a phoney war right now, but that’s not because of any lack of fighting. It’s because they think we’re all fakes.”

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    I put this down to timing Cy.

    None of these guys are prepared for a marathon.

    Come tomorrow we'll have our first T.V. debate; the polls are going to show a shift by the weekend.

    That will represent the next step up in the campaign.

    I'm betting that all the parties are saving the "dirt" for the last week.

    Now, ........

    what will become the key issue?

    That's going to be interesting.

    ---Update---

    Well, here we go....

    ON HEALTH
    • Payments to health boards and GPs to be linked more directly to illness prevention measures [England only]
    • Cut size of the Department of Health by half, abolishing or cutting budgets of quangos, scrapping Strategic Health Authorities and seeking to limit pay of top NHS managers to below level of prime minister [England only]
    • Integrate health and social care, allow people to stay in homes for longer rather than going into hospital or residential care by limiting bureaucracy [England only]
    • Scrap Labour's personal care at home and divert cash to give one week's respite for one million carers [England only]
    • Prioritise dementia research, improve access to counselling for people with mental health problems [England only]
    • Look into introduction of minimum alcohol pricing [England only], ban below-cost sales and review tax on drink
    • Local health boards to take over role of primary care trusts [in England] to allow local people more say over service provision
    Big difference from Labour/Tories?
    The Lib Dems see Labour's National Care Service as unaffordable but neither do they back the Tories' insurance proposals.

    ON CRIME, JUSTICE AND IMMIGRATION
    • Put 3,000 more police on the beat, paid for by spending cuts elsewhere. Direct election of police authorities with powers to sack chief constables [England and Wales only]
    • Focus on treatment, rather than imprisonment, of drug addicts. Drug policy based on independent Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs advice
    • Make prisoners work, contributing from prison wages to compensation fund for victims. As resources allow, increase number of hours prisoners spend in education and training [England and Wales]
    • Presumption against short-term sentences of less than six months - replaced by rigorously enforced community sentences - allowing cancellation of prison-building programme [England and Wales]
    • Neighbourhood Justice Panels to get powers to decide punishments for anti-social behaviour. Introduce statutory Youth Service, encouraging local sector involvement [England and Wales]
    • Make hospitals share non-confidential information with police to allow targeting of gun and knife crime hotspots [England and Wales]
    • Immediately reintroduce exit checks at all ports and airports, set up National Border Force with police powers and introduce regional points-based system to ensure migrants only work where needed
    • Prioritise deportation efforts on criminals, people-traffickers and other high-priority cases. End deportations of refugees to countries where they face persecution, imprisonment, torture or execution
    Big difference from Labour/Tories?
    On immigration, the Lib Dems adopt Labour's points-based system - but on a regional level - and dismiss the Conservatives' annual limits


    ---Update---

    Angus Reid still showing ten..

    Populus at three.

    ---Update---

    D minus 23
    Today’s polls:
    YouGov/Sun (12th-13th Apr) CON 39%(nc), LAB 31%(-2), LDEM 20%(nc)
    Populus/Times (12th-13th Apr) CON 36%(-3), LAB 33%(+1), LDEM 21%(nc)
    ComRes/Independent/ITV (11th-12th Apr) CON 36%(-1), LAB 31%(+1), LDEM 19%(-1)
    Angus Reid/Political Betting (11th-12th Apr) CON 38%(+1), LAB 28%(+2), LDEM 22%(nc)


    ---Update---

    It was a cheeky question asked of Nick Clegg at this morning's manifesto launch, but one that had to be asked: wasn't it the case that Vince Cable was the one Lib Dem politician everyone admired, and how did that make Clegg feel? Clegg answered with his customary good humour, saying that Cable was a good colleague and a good friend and he was pleased he was doing well. But the implication of the question was the issue that has dogged Clegg ever since he became leader – wouldn't Vince have been a better choice?
    Certainly, Vince can turn a phrase. His quip at prime minister's questions, while acting as interim leader, that Gordon Brown had changed from Stalin to Mr Bean was one of the best attacks on Brown for years. And today Cable cleverly described himself as "the elephant man", the one politician prepared to talk about the elephant in the room that is the national debt. It's not surprising that he's the public's most popular choice for chancellor, according to the polls.

    And today Cable cleverly described himself as "the elephant man", the one politician prepared to talk about the elephant in the room that is the national debt.





    Wrong Elephant.




    Wrong room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    ...what will become the key issue?
    there's no fire because they're all terrified. like a bunch of naughty schoolkids they know full well they're in the electorate's 'bad books'. each party is terrified of digging up any shit because they know only too well that they all have skeletons in their cupboards. they don't wanna say too much becasue none of them have any genuine solutions to the problem of, well basically, national bankruptcy.

    they all know the only way they're gonna get votes is by keeping their heads down and being fucking lucky. no other hope.

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    Seems like the regional alliance are gaining traction..(.Welsh and Scottish)

    I think UKIP may surprise some. Might be one of the stories of the election.

    The question is, will they be pulling more from the Tories or Labour.

    LD could do well with a smart campaign.

    Anyway, I'm hoping the BBC carries the election debates tonight but with this new "impact Asia" programming, who the hell knows.

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    they don't wanna say too much becasue none of them have any genuine solutions to the problem of, well basically, national bankruptcy.
    It seems of both the moral and financial variety.

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    20.44 The true success or failure of tomorrow's TV debate will be measured in the number of kettles switched on immediately after it ends, according to the National Grid. Current forecasts stand at around 150,000 - compared with 500,000 pots expected to boil after tomorrow's episode of EastEnders. Neil Midgely explains a very British phenomenon.



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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Anyway, I'm hoping the BBC carries the election debates tonight but with this new "impact Asia" programming, who the hell knows.
    I think it's more down to the inability of any of the 'global' news channels to stick with anything for longer than a soundbite.

    But perhaps you're right, and it's actually the slant eyes messing things up yet again.

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    Actually it is being carried by ITV.

    I get Grenada TV now, so just maybe.

    ITV is carrying one debate, BBC one debate , and another major broadcaster the final one.

    "Impact Asia" "The Hub"

    Turns my stomach.

    What the hell was ever wrong with just having the bloody hourly news ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    "The Hub"
    Agreed - that is absolutely nauseating isn't it.

    Poor old BBC trying to cater for people under 30.

    It's like your parents saying 'Awesome!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    It seems of both the moral and financial variety.
    without doubt.

    there is a genuine elephant in the room. the one no-one wants to talk about. the fact that bankers created the largest economic collapse in world history and instead of being punished were rewarded with massive sums of public money. enough to bankrupt the country. all major parties supported that act of high treason.

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