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    Pakistan Convoy Attacks?

    Am I missing something here.

    Over the past ten days it's seems there has been about eight attacks on Nato convoys going from Pakistan to Afghanistan.

    The convoys usually involved twenty to thirty fuel tankers which were set upon by a group of a dozen individuals who then proceed to set the whole convoy afire.

    I know Nato has been having a spat with Pakistan over some drone killings and had temporarily sealed one of the border crossings setting up this "sitting duck" situation for the convoys.

    What I don't understand is "where the hell is the Pakistani" army?

    Surely they could be assigning soldiers to each convoy, knowing full well how much of a target for attack they are.

    Really strange.

    With many of the countries involved in Nato now being under serious financial duress I wonder why this isn't more of an issue. This is just taxpayers money being pissed away it seems to me.

    I'll bet neither Pakistan or Afghanistan are contributing much to the cost of this "senseless' waste.

    What gives?
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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Am I missing something here.
    Yes. You have the wrong idea. Pakistan is a muslim country which has a deep connection with the taliban and other groups. The Pakistani intelligence service routinely works with and supports terrorist groups. The Taliban insisted on retribution for U.S. drone attacks. The Pakistani govt responded by closing the border to those convoys, thereby making them sitting ducks. When they are satisfied with the number of burning wrecks, they will re-open the border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny larue View Post
    When they are satisfied with the number of burning wrecks, they will re-open the border.
    That's what I was afraid of.

    Wow.

    What a mess.

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    Pakistan will undoubtedly need more foreign aid money to counter this awful threat.

    Foreign Aid - money from poor people in rich countries which gets sent to rich people in poor countries.

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    Do we really believe the Americans arms manufacturers really want to lose the income derived from their arms sales to Pakistan ?

    See the list below.

    Victor Bout is just an errand boy compared to the ordinance supplies that the Americans have sold to what could be politely described as a possible hostile state.

    Major U.S. Arms Sales and Grants to Pakistan Since 2001

    Prepared for the Congressional Research Service by K. Alan Kronstadt, Specialist in South Asian Affairs (3/23/10)
    Major U.S. arms sales and grants to Pakistan since 2001 have included items useful for
    counterterrorism and counterinsurgency operations, along with a number of “big ticket” platforms more
    suited to conventional warfare.


    In dollar value terms, the bulk of purchases are made with Pakistani
    national funds: the Pentagon reports total Foreign Military Sales agreements with Pakistan worth about
    $5 billion for FY2002-FY2009 (in-process sales of F-16 combat aircraft and related equipment account
    for about three-quarters of this).

    The United States also has provided Pakistan with more than $2.1
    billion in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) since 2001 (including scheduled FY2010 funds). These
    funds are used to purchase U.S. military equipment for longer-term modernization efforts. Pakistan also
    has been granted U.S. defense supplies as Excess Defense Articles (EDA).

    Major post-2001 defense supplies provided, or soon to be provided, under FMF include:
    ! eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and their refurbishment (valued at $474 million);
    ! about 5,250 TOW anti-armor missiles ($186 million; 2,007 delivered);
    ! more than 5,600 military radio sets ($163 million);
    ! six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars ($100 million);
    ! six C-130E transport aircraft and their refurbishment ($76 million);
    ! five refurbished SH-2I Super Seasprite maritime helicopters granted under EDA ($67 million);
    ! one ex-Oliver Hazard Perry class missile frigate via EDA ($65 million);
    ! 20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters via EDA ($48 million, 12 refurbished and delivered); and
    ! 121 refurbished TOW missile launchers ($25 million).

    Supplies paid for with a mix of Pakistani national funds and FMF include:
    ! up to 60 Mid-Life Update kits for F-16A/B combat aircraft (valued at $891 million, with $477
    million of this in FMF, Pakistan currently plans to purchase 35 such kits); and
    ! 115 M-109 self-propelled howitzers ($87 million, with $53 million in FMF).
    Notable items paid or to be paid for entirely with Pakistani national funds include:
    ! 18 new F-16C/D Block 50/52 combat aircraft (valued at $1.43 billion; none delivered to date);
    ! F-16 armaments including 500 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles; 1,450 2,000-pound bombs; 500
    JDAM Tail Kits for gravity bombs; and 1,600 Enhanced Paveway laser-guided kits, also for
    gravity bombs ($629 million);
    ! 100 Harpoon anti-ship missiles ($298 million);
    ! 500 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles ($95 million); and
    ! six Phalanx Close-In Weapons System naval guns ($80 million).
    While the Pentagon notified Congress on the possible transfer to Pakistan of three P-3B aircraft as EDA
    grants that would be modified to carry the E-2C Hawkeye airborne early warning suite in a deal worth
    up to $855 million, this effort has not progressed beyond the notification stage. Other major EDA grants
    since 2001 include 14 F-16A/B combat aircraft and 39 T-37 military trainer jets. Under Coalition
    Support Funds (part of the Pentagon budget), Pakistan has received 26 Bell 412 utility helicopters, along
    with related parts and maintenance, valued at $235 million. Finally, under 1206, Frontier Corps, and
    Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund authorities, the United States has provided helicopter spare
    parts, various night vision devices, radios, body armor, helmets, first aid kits, litters, and large quantities
    of other individual soldier equipment.


    Source: U.S. Department of Defense. See also CRS Report RS22757, U.S. Arms Sales to Pakistan, and CRS Report. RL33498, Pakistan-U.S. Relations
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny larue View Post
    The Taliban insisted on retribution for U.S. drone attacks.
    Actually, the latest spat is about an incursion by Apache helicopters (ours) into Pakistani territory which resulted in the deaths of 3 Pakistani border guards manning their guard shack.
    But what you've said about the ISI is apparently an ongoing reality. Either way; we be fucked from both ends.
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    will continue till they are resisted with either
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