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    Canada deporting U.S. soldier...

    Canada has ordered the deportation of a female soldier who fled the U.S. military in order to avoid the war in Iraq, officials said Thursday.
    War Resisters Support Campaign spokeswoman Michelle Robidoux said that Citizenship and Immigration Canada has ordered Kimberly Rivera to leave the country by Sept. 20.
    Rivera is meeting with her lawyers to determine her next step and was unavailable to comment, saidRobidoux.
    "We are very upset about this decision," said Robidoux. "The cases of war resisters are not being looked at properly. (Immigration Minister Jason) Kenney continues to intervene by telling immigration officers to red flag US soldiers who are applying for asylum as criminally inadmissible. We think that has tainted the whole process and the government should withdraw that directive."
    Canada orders US soldier who fled war deported - Yahoo! News

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    Quote Originally Posted by THX 1133 View Post
    "The cases of war resisters are not being looked at properly. (Immigration Minister Jason) Kenney continues to intervene by telling immigration officers to red flag US soldiers who are applying for asylum as criminally inadmissible.
    "War Resisters" isn't really the term here.

    It sounds like desertion.

    I'll read further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    I'll read further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by you_me_no_savy_talk_talk View Post
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    True. A visceral and uninformed reaction gives that immediate gratification that feels so good; a mind-wank, it's good because it's so bad.

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    Kenney continues to intervene by telling immigration officers to red flag US soldiers who are applying for asylum as criminally inadmissible. We think that has tainted the whole process and the government should withdraw that directive."
    That would do it alrighty.

    ---Update---

    I read the article.

    I can't see that she has a good case.

    Two Canadian born children? Family living in Toronto?

    The children could not be deported according to my calculations.

    Government policy seems to be to deport deserters.

    So be it.

    What's to be said......

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    They didn't deport deserters during Vietnam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THX 1133 View Post
    They didn't deport deserters during Vietnam.
    Because that was a fucking idiotic war. Even more idiotic than Iraq (Afghanistan wasn't idiotic at all).

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    Quote Originally Posted by THX 1133 View Post
    They didn't deport deserters during Vietnam.
    A vast majority of those 50,00 that came to Canada were draft dodgers THX.

    I'd have to research to see what the positions was vis-a-vis actual deserters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thinkingofachange View Post
    Because that was a fucking idiotic war. Even more idiotic than Iraq (Afghanistan wasn't idiotic at all).
    Sort of beside the point isn't it.

    Once you sign up you're in. And desertion is a paramount crime.

    No matter how you might choose to slice it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Once you sign up you're in. And desertion is a paramount crime.
    There was a draft in Vietnam--no draft in Iraq/Afghanistan. Hence the different policy.

    I applaud Canada for doing the right thing in both cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Once you sign up you're in. And desertion is a paramount crime
    So what do we say to the Syrian deserters, or Nazi German deserters? Deserting should be no more a crime than breaking a contract, and if the employers are acting negligently, illegally immorally or just downright stupidly then you should face any punishment at all....
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    Quote Originally Posted by markle View Post
    So what do we say to the Syrian deserters, or Nazi German deserters?
    Desertion from an enemy army is a bit different then desertion from an ally's army.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fred flintstone View Post
    Desertion from an enemy army is a bit different then desertion from an ally's army.
    Definitely so, especially now that NATO is the world's policeman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markle View Post
    Deserting should be no more a crime than breaking a contract
    Fine to say.

    But when a person is in a position where a fellow soldier suddenly decides to desert, and that creates a life threatening situation?

    Desertion is the highest form of treason.

    I hear what you're saying markle.

    But let's remain realistic.


    .....there's no way in the world that one country allied militarily to another is going to allow a soldier from the partner country to seek refuge on the grounds that they will be severely punished for their act.

    Can't work.

    Now, maybe in a thousand years ..................

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    But when a person is in a position where a fellow soldier suddenly decides to desert, and that creates a life threatening situation?
    That is a very specific case and can be covered by deeming it negelecting a duty of care or something.

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