Interesting article from the War Nerd. Choice quote:
And boom, at last, Osama was dead. On Obama’s watch. Whoo-hoo! Let the victory parades begin!Except there weren’t any. I remember real well the weird queasy hush after bin Laden died. Nobody ever tells the truth in this country, so nobody could talk about why Obama never got the cheers he expected, but we all know why. It’s simple: There are two tribes in America and neither one was in a mood to cheer. Obama’s liberal fans couldn’t cheer because they have some taboo about parading around with your enemy’s head on a stick. They think it’s crude or something, “a regrettable necessity”—you know that NYT editorial jabber they use.
And the other tribe, the flyover state white glob I come from, would sooner comp bin Laden a suite in Vegas than give Obama any creds for taking him down. They sulked through it like a confused, hungover Pillsbury doughboy; the way they saw it, Obama got bin Laden on a technicality. There’s always been a lot of Osama/Obama blur in the way they see things, and they might’ve been happier if it’d been Osama zapping that snotty Hawaiian instead of the other way around.
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looks like an interesting article Bubba, i got halfway through.I'll finish it manana.
But offhand i'd say Obama down playing the bin Laden thing was good strategy. To make a major issue of it would have stirred up alot of bad juju with the muzzies and bring on some backlash. But yeah,he would benefit by talking up his military successes a bit more.
I want to see how he handles all the shit thats happened this week. It could make or break the election for him.
Last edited by fred flintstone; 13th September 2012 at 20:07.
fred
Agreed. The burial at sea was a really smart move--and not something I'd think of doing.Originally Posted by fred flintstone
I remember reading on a lot of liberal websites, people were expressing disgust at the celebrations outside of the White House etc. That really pissed me off--it was a moment of true humanity, and while not exactly dignified and advanced, it was certainly much more subdued than what's happening outside U.S. embassies in Yemen and Egypt. That was one of the first times I realized that the conservatives had a point about a lot of liberals being the "blame America first" crowd.
Excellent.
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Indeed Fred.
That will be interesting.
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Just looking at the morning polls.......
Looks like the Libyan business has benefited Romney.
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RealClearPolitics - Latest Election Polls
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^ Are we reading the same site Russ ? Because that link you gave us shows that - in the polls at least - Obama is beating Romney like a red-headed step-child.
Most people - republican foreign policy wonks included - seem to have taken Romney's accusing Obama of "apologising" after (actually before) the Libya consulate attack as both unpresidential and further confirmation (after Romney's gaffe-strewn foreign trip) that he is a foreign policy lightweight.
...he is whatever his handlers want him to be...
...majestically enthroned amid the vulgar herd...
Don't think about it Thinginkofachange.....thinking about it was all they thought about doing.....
It takes a special kind of talent to - on what is supposed to be a trip showing your charms to what might be your allies - get the mayor of their capital city to mock you on stage in front of a crowd of 20,000 people in less than 24 hours.
And now Romney is heckled at his own rally: Mitt Romney heckled as he attempts to soften stance on Libya response | World | News | National Post
Fuck that man has no social skills.
What universe do you live in, Russ?
Bob Cesca: Mitt Romney Kneejerks Into Another Colossal Blunder
He's a lightweight on every policy. Nothing up top but air.
"Romney's spastic behavior"
Bob Cesca: Mitt Romney Kneejerks Into Another Colossal Blunder
He's not one of those, is he?
Rasmussen?
It looks like the polls have shifted a fair bit in the last 24 hrs.
So you may be correct.
Anyways, 5 weeks is a long time in politics.
I think it's a matter of peaking at exactly the right time.
...I'll need a wider variety for my polls. That Rasmussen one maybe not very professional.
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So yes, I may have been wrong.
.............happens to us all on occasion
I never found his polls to be very reliable.
4 more years!
I was looking at few stories this morning which seem to indicate that the tensions are arising in many countries in the ME.
Egypt seems of most concern to the State Department right now.
The best description for Romney's behaviour I have read has been to describe it as unpresidential.
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It is kind of interesting that all this is happening with the run up to the election.(co-incidence I wonder?)
It is a curious time in history...........
There is IMO no evidence of any Obama success in containing or mitigating the Islamic terrorist threat nor in delaying the likelihood of an outbreak of war in the Middle East. His administration has proven to be a failure in this regard.
"What we are seeing on the screen is the meltdown, collapse of the Obama policy on the Muslim world," Charles Krauthammer said on the panel segment of FOX News' "Special Report" tonight.
Krauthammer: We're Seeing The "Collapse Of The Obama Policy On The Muslim World" | RealClearPolitics
Of special interest related to this article is this comment that describes the extent of the Middle East and global Islamic threat which has greatly strengthened under the Obama regime.
"All American troops withdrawn from Iraq. The Iraqi PM is an Iranian puppet and the second in command is in jail. The Jihadi and Shiite are rebuilding their strength and waiting to find out if Obama is re-elected before pushing forward.
Afghanistan is falling apart and the people there are getting ready for the return of the Taliban as soon as America cuts and runs from the country like they did in Iraq.
Pakistan is similar to Iran in that is a major exporter of Radical Islam. Pak is has been aligning itself with Iran and the rest of the Radical Islamic movement world wide side Obama took office. Pakistan's ISI was the creator and trainer of the Taliban and the Taliban was Paks tool to turn Afghanistan into a Radical Islamic puppet state and proxy for Pak’s export of Radical Islam world wide. Think of the Taliban as Pak’s version of Iran's Hezbohalla Guerrillas. Pak has a large inventory of Nuclear weapons and has been proven to be major proliferator of Nuclear weapons technology to the Muslim world. They also have modern western military hardware .
Egypt has been delivered to the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) , the parent organization of Al -Qeada , HAMAS, and other terrorist “splinter” groups. Saraia, oppression, jihad an, scrapping the Camp David Accords, unilateral re militarization the Saiai and war with Israel is on it's agenda and they are forming a coalition with Iran to implement that agenda. Egypt has modern US weapons at it's disposal including US M1A1 tanks and the factory to make the tanks. They are now getting F-16’s delivered, despite the sacking of our Embassy and Egypt's turn to the dark side, but probably won't have time to field them before all hell breaks loose which is a small comfort. Obama has insisted on transferring Billion of Dollars directly to the Muslim Brotherhood over the strenuous objections of the his own State Department and Congress because of Egypt's pledge to dismantle the Camp David Accord with Israel. Since these Billions in funds are tied to the observance of the Camp David agreement, in addition to being a crazy, counterproductive,irresponsible act that Obama's sending the MB this money unconditionally and with no confirmation that Egypt would abide by it's treaty with Israel was a direct violation of the law.
Libya once again has the MB in charge, as will be the case with all Arab Spring countries since the MB has a strong world wide organization and limitless oil money to , foreign assistance from Al-Qeada and other MB affiliated terrorists (many of whom were trained in the AQ training camps in Afghanistan. MB now has Trillions of dollars of ex Qaddafi oil money and all of his modern weapons to prosecute Jihad when the time is right. Around 5000 Libyan modern surface to air missiles, all at least as good as our Stinger, have went to Iran and to other terrorist organizations, so it's going to be tough for us to use air power like we have gotten used to in last few years in a future conflict and now terrorists can easily shut down western commercial air traffic.
Tunisia is a vassal state of Libya at this point so what goes for Libya goes for them.
Yemen is MB and back to it's role as a staging ground for AQ and other terrorists
Syria is a mess and no matter who wins, the West loses.
Turkey is going over tho the Islamist dark side and threatening Israel.
Lebanon is pretty much in the hands of the Iranian Hezbollah and they are prepping for war with Israel ASAP.
The functional Gulf States like Saudis Arabia, Kuwait, UAE and the EM have their hands full keeping the terrorists down but they all have strong MB supporters in their leadership so who knows what is going to happen. All have TONs of the best US and other Western arms including F-16’s, F-15’s M1A1 tanks, SAMs, so if they go over to the dark side and the officers who know how to use them go too we are in deep s**t. America also has a large fraction of it's own weapons forward positioned in these counties, including all the stuff we took out of Iraq, so if the SHTF they will have those too.
Iran is ground zero for Islamic Radicalism and is supplying support to terrorists all over the world. Iran has huge network of cells of highly trained, fanatically motivated terrorists all over the world and especially cells in the US infiltrated across the US-Mexico border ready to create havoc in scary multitude of places at the time and place of their choosing. Iran will soon have nuclear weapons production capabilities and probably also has a number of existing weapons purchased abroad. Iran is prepping for war and seems determined to start a world wide conflict.
The Arab world is dominated by very young people, most of who have no eduction and are in desperate poverty with no hope for the future. The last 10 years of the rise of Radical Islam has been a major formative influence on their growing up . They are primed and ready to explode - all it takes are the right set of circumstances and leaders who push them in the direction of Jihad. The Arab Spring has put those leaders in place, and these leaders are wasting no time in mobilizing them.
As we have seen in the last few days, the Arab Street is easy for their leaders to manipulate in the direction of violent Jihad.
The Western countries are all in various stages of economic difficulty and all seem to be marching in the direction of economic paralysis, if not outright depression. Many of which have large numbers of Muslim immigrants who are militant and have ties to the countries listed above. These immigrant communities have been radicalized Islamists offer the last decade. They are militant and they have a history of violence, riots and violent intimidation and assaults on of the citizens of their host countries. Many are members of terrorist cells sponsored buy their home countries. The combination of economic paralysis and Muslim incited riots and sabotage in the home countries of the west will constrain effective response to any moves the Islamists make in the Middle East or any where else around the world."
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