kiwiling

On my first day of teacher training I was told it is a very "political" profession...and it sure is. It is a system of image conscious and shallow people who manipulate their way out of the classroom and into management. The only rules that count are those that suit them...just try demanding they follow rules on your behalf...the trouble with covering your backside as it really requires watching your back so mush you get dizzy...and there are far too many females in charge.

phuketbound

That is soo true. Teaching has turned into a political bull fight, and the quality of teaching due to increased demand for paperwork, and OFSTED down the schools backs 24/7, has changed the system to where I won't work in England anymore.

kingwilly

lame troll attempt.

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grasshopper

add the cost of living and taxation and there's no point any more

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phuketbound

I think there is a point to teaching, but not in the public school system the way it is. I am really thinking about whether I want to teach in Canada now.

Cawphad Guy

What about the kids, man?

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grasshopper

you're right but I can't afford the amount of kevlar body suits it takes to get through a term

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jakestevernson

I made the move back a few years ago. I got qualified and thought I would be back in Thailand by now. However, the school I am at is good, with nice kids and supportive management. You do work hard but remember you have a very secure job, 3 months hols and a good pension in the future. As a result I think I will stay on for a few more years and then hit South America or possibly back to Thailand.
But I must say that schools with both good kids and management are not very common, but there are some around. Becoming qualified will add security and more opportunities for the future so I would also recommend it.

Jon

Well said. There's more than one side to it. Quite a few decent schools around.

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Killing Me Softly 101

A few notes on Teaching in UK.


(ii). Teachers from outside the EEA should contact the National Academic Recognition Information Centre (NARIC) to have their qualifications checked to see whether they are equivalent to a UK first degree. This check can be made either by tel. 0870 990 4088 or email: info@narc.org.uk. If your qualifications are assessed as below first degree standard, you may need extra study to obtain a first degree before you can start a course leading to QTS. You will need to reach first degree standard and also to obtain QTS within four years of the first day you taught in a state maintained school or non maintained special schools in England. Extra time is not permitted to top up qualifications to degree standards.
If your qualifications are equivalent to a UK first degree standard, then you can arrange to take part in an employment based training course leading to QTS. Again QTS needs to be obtained within four years. Further information can be obtained at:
Overseas Trained Teacher Programme - Types of course - TDA

Q20. I am an overseas trained teacher (OTT). How much will I be paid?

A. Until an overseas trained teacher (OTT) is granted UK Qualified Teacher Status (QTS), they may only be paid on the pay scale for unqualified teachers. OTTs may teach in England for up to four calendar years before they gain QTS.

Q21: Where can I find details of the unqualified teachers’ pay scale?
A. Details of the unqualified teachers’ pay scale can be found in Section 2, Paragraph 38 of the School Teachers’ Pay and Conditions Document (STPCD) 2007.

The following link will take you to a copy of the STPCD 2007:
Teachernet, STPCD 2007

STPCD, Section 2, paragraphs 39 and 40 set out position regarding the possibility of an additional allowance being awarded to unqualified teachers, and, what happens to the pay of an unqualified teacher when they become qualified.

Q22: I am an OTT who has been granted QTS from the GTC. Can I now be paid on the Classroom Teachers’ Pay Scale?

A: Yes, once you have been granted QTS, you may be paid on the main teachers’ pay scale. The relevant body in the school may use their discretion to award additional experience points to those teachers who worked in a maintained state sector school in the EEA and Switzerland. More information can be found in the STPCD, Section 2, paragraph 18.1.3.

Q23. If I am awarded QTS will my teaching experience in a non-EEA country entitle me to additional points on the main pay scale?

A.Overseas teaching experience carried out elsewhere than in an EEA member country or Switzerland does not automatically entitle a teacher to mandatory additional points, but discretionary points may be awarded by the governing bodies of schools to which teachers apply for posts. Once awarded, discretionary points become a permanent entitlement.
MAIN SCALE TEACHER FROM 1 SEPTEMBER 2007

England and Wales
Inner London
Outer London
Fringe
M1
£20,133
£24,168
£23,118
£21,102
M2
£21,726
£25,548
£24,501
£22,692
M3
£23,472
£27,327
£26,247
£24,438
M4
£25,278
£29,328
£28,053
£26,250
M5
£27,270
£31,584
£30,432
£28,239
M6
£29,427
£33,936
£32,751
£30,393








● School Teachers’ Pay and Conditions Document

The School Teachers’ Pay and Conditions Document (published yearly) sets out teachers’ terms and conditions of service. It includes information about teachers’ professional duties and sets out working time arrangements for classroom teachers. The latest Pay Document can be found at: Teachernet, Document bank and the explanatory notes that go with it can be found at:
Teachernet, Document bank.
Other conditions of service such as sick pay, maternity leave and notice periods are negotiated between the national employers and trade unions. Some agreements may be negotiated locally. Schools or local education authorities can give more information.


● Pensions

All teachers are eligible for membership of the Teachers’ Pension Scheme (TPS). Full-time employment, and part-time employment commencing on or after 1 January 2007, is automatically pensionable unless a teacher has formally opted out. Teachers in non-pensionable part-time employment commencing before 1 January 2007 continue to be in non-pensionable employment until an election is made for employment to be pensionable. Teachers pay 6.4 per cent of their salary and employers pay 14.1 per cent, making a total contribution of 20.5 per cent. Full details about the range of benefits available from the TPS, including some important changes to scheme design that have been implemented from 1 January 2007, are available from the Teachers’ Pensions’ website Teachers' Pensions - Home Page, or by calling 0845 6066166.

For further information on teachers’ pay and conditions see TeacherNet, Teachers' Pay. The latest pay scales can be found at: Teachernet, Document bank.

Above information from cited sources.

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Jon

Not that badly paid, but nothing special either, when you can be an uneducated police community support officer at the equivalent of M2/3. If you have another half with a job or half a job, it starts getting quite reasonable. Is M6 top of the scale for teachers without other responsibilities, etc? It's been a long time...

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peelieorion

You can get additional responsibility points worth about 1k each andaftr 5 years you can pass a threshold test proving you'e a good teacher and get an additional 4k. i finished on 34k a year after 6 years of teaching. not that bad really.

Jon

Knew about the additional money for more responsibility, and had heard of the threshold test, but didn't know how much it was worth. Not a bad top up. Works out about the same as current police pay I guess, although those with older service get a few grand more with allowances that were frozen in 1994, but it's a lack of overtime opportunities, BH pay, etc that leaves teachers falling behind in the pay leagues. Not that some teachers would see that as a bad thing I wouldn't say teachers had it easy with 13 weeks holiday a year, because I've been there and I know how much is done at home, for no extra pay.

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torbek

I dunno...

GBP 21,000 doesn't really allow much of a lifestyle. Looking at costs in UK, I'd say it equates to the kind of lifestyle you'd live on AUD 40,000 - 45,000...which isn't much.

New teachers in some parts of Australia (granted, very remote parts) now start on AUD 72,000 which is a reasonable income (average wage here about AUD 51,000).

But GBP 21,000 is OK for a couple of years then head off to somewhere (like Thailand) where the quals are (relatively speaking) better rewarded.

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