kevhov

Ohhh, I know. Funny how these threads always go off on tangents and sometimes you just have to continue. I am still taking the advice to heart though. All of it, positive and negative. I am hopping on that plane. Planning on sometime around January. Still have a lot of things to take care of here first. Big one being selling my house. And I'm sure everyone knows about the fantastic housing market and stable US economy.

i1der

First thing first, good luck selling your house.

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Sorry kevhov. Happynz wrote you a warm-hearted advice and I wrote GOTW, which means Green On The Way. With that I was basically saying that I agree with happynz's post in giving you a warm-hearted advice. I am sorry that you misunderstood these posts.

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happynz

Game of the Week? 'He shoots, he scores!'

Guru of the Week? Just a week? Damn, this guru business is flighty...

Oh, 'green on the way...'

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My alternative universe...
Un hombre con un tenedor en la tierra de la sopa.
[A man with a fork in the land of soup]
Así pues, aquí estamos.

phuketbound

^

Get you degree first then get a better job. If you don't have a degree and just a CELTA, you may have a hard time getting a job, or you will get a crap job. If you have money saved, why don't you just travel for a little while, then go back and finish your degree in order to make better money in the future? I'd definitely agree with going to Phuket for a vacation. Just do it!

i1der

Thanks, Nike

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tropic of cancer

Frankly it wouldn't bother me if my child was educated by a mature adult who hadn't gone down the conventional path of education if that person was clearly bright and dedicated, and I believe the UK Government was planning to allow teachers to come in through the side door as it were. For why exactly does having a degree make you a better 'educator'? Fair enough, if it's in education or linguistics, but if we're talking about capabilities with the English language, I feel I pass muster. I have a Cambridge CELTA (from the UK), a Diploma in Journalism, did 2 years of a politics degree and have been published many times in the National Press.

The fact is we're not talking about a first-world eduaction system and your trying to repel non-graduate farang would not be appreciated by the schools all over Thailand who can't get native-speaking teachers. The reason they want native speakers are manifold, as I'm sure you're aware. These include 'having a white face' but they also include the ability to model English correctly in order that the diligent, grammar-rich efforts of their charges don't flounder on the rocks of incomprehensibility. Given that prosaic but absolutely vital need, I think the requirement that someone as obviously clever and responsible as Kevhov have a degree is spectacularly beside the point.

ScienceGuy

Well kevhov was saying he wants to work toward a degree so that's why everyone was offering suggestions about degrees.

All you need to teach English is a CELTA/TESOL and Native ability. Some schools/gov'ts require degrees but not all. So we basically told him he could find work but it wouldn't be great and he will have a hard time working on a degree at the same time he is learning English grammar, Thai, Bangkok streets, and working full-time as a teacher...

You definitely won't get a job in Phuket. Well maybe but it pays $5/month... hehe. Here's a question for Kevhov, do you really think you'll like teaching? I mean if so, go for it! I'll give you a typical day in my life and let you decide:

6:00 Wake up(5:30 if I have to do gate duty)
7:15 Roll out on my kick ass mountain bike, peel through traffic, kick off dogs, and sometimes it rains
7:35 Arrive at school, sign-in, pay homage to my employer by waiing
8:00 Go out to the flag-pole and sing the national anthem
8:30 Teach back-to-back classes, maybe 3 in a row(50min each)
11:00 Go eat rice and red goop with pork in it(you can leave for lunch and some of the local places even have rice with green goop, sometimes with chicken even!)
12:30 Teach a few more classes
4:00 Go home on my kick ass mountain bike
Repeat, M-F

I have a pretty cushy job because I have experience, a TESOL, Native, Degree, blah blah blah. I teach 18 periods a week. Most of my time between classes is spent grading papers, preparing lessons, making tests, refilling whiteboard markers, photocopying, etc. My students are grade 7-9, aged 12-15. I get along well with the 12-13 year olds and the 14-15 year olds are typical teens. Sometimes they scream and yell, sometimes they love the classwork, it all depends. Most of the time they want to sleep or see their bf/gf or play their phone-games. There are 210 of them and I know all their names . My take-home is $900/month. The biggest perk I have is about 4 weeks paid vacation and several holidays.

If you went to a government school in the US, you probably can imagine the schools are about the same here. I don't teach K-6 but I can imagine it involves a lot of hand-holding, baby-sitting, kinda like a mom.

If you're still interested after reading about my cushy job, here's what you might find at entry level: 20-25 periods per week(11-39% more work) for the same pay. No paid vacation. Depending on the school you may have to do visa runs every month or 3. Think "Africa Hot" if you're in Bangkok. It is hot and A/C is essential(Phuket is the same or worse).

But honestly, you have to like your students or you won't last more than a year. I guess if you're a morning person, like little kids, are comfortable moving to the other side of the Earth and can handle things when it gets rough, then you should do it!

Or you could just do an international study program.


They can't get teachers because they're greedy, selfish, robber-barons that won't pay their natives a good salary, help them get housing, etc.
many-fold
Primarily, they want native speakers because it's easier sell someone with a white face and can speak English correctly.

tropic of cancer

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WhatsGrammar?

Pedantic fool.

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Cream

I think you'll find that it was science guy being the pedantic prick, and being made to look like right twat once TOC pointed out his mistake.

Now you look like one too!

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BroFootball

I am 45 from the states with well over 100 hundred college hours with many in secondary education no degree, got married had four kids ready for a change. I also have coached/taught soccer/football for more thabn 25 years. I have a cousin from Thailand with a lot of family still there who have reallly sparked my interest to teach. Question: Spend the money to finish my degree in the states around 3 semesters than come over or come over with what I have which has a lot of work with kids of all ages and take the TESL?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
KevHov I would strongley suggest getting your degree, I said the same thing many years ago and never finished. Find something that intrigues you and go far it!

KB

Killing Me Softly 101

Yes. And if you want to make real money, get the state teacher qualification too. Good luck.

And you got your understanding of the scope and sequence of the curriculum that you will be teaching along with the correct procedures for using sheltered English to produce comprehensible input to L2 speakers in a variety of subjects from WHERE?

A bar?