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[quote=panhunger]I'm in Isaan P and we have been notified. However, we were given a waiver from the Teacher's Council. Strange. One dude from a nearby school was refused a visa renewal from the Nong Khai office. Strange but true.
Given a waiver suprise suprise. Thais can spout their course nonense all they like. if you live in rural Thailand think you see and learn enough about real thai culture already. i know couuntless tachers up in nongkhai teaching on tourist visas. i've always felt wanted and appreciated here. if you pay a bean, I reckon you're a mug
You must take the course. You must take it in July. You must. You must. You must. Wait, here's a three year waiver. Sabai, sabai...Originally Posted by peelieorion
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Pan,
You have to do this course starting Saturday 26 April 2008. Your Boss is going to tell you that next Monday in the Staaaaaaaaaaaaaafffffff Roooooooom.
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The culture course sounds like a bit of a waste. No matter, if it's under 10k i'll pay. Salaries at my school are decent so it won't be too painful.
The teaching certification/education credits is a bit of a worry though. I think it is reasonable for the Thai government to ask all teachers in primary and secondary schools to have education credits. We require this back in our countries too.
I've been looking at local options for doing this for about a year now. The only reason I haven't started is because I am reluctant to shell out between 2,000 and 5,000 USD for a credential that won't be good in my home country. Of course, given the cost of school in the USA it would cost me between 10,000 and 20,000 USD for a proper certification.
By the way, nothing has been said at my school regarding any of these new requirements.
Last edited by Hamster; 3rd February 2008 at 01:48.
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If you hold a Bed: don't worry, you'll get your license.
If you hold a Bachelor's in any other field than Education, just do the course and take the exams. At the course I was told that you can fail these exams twice, the third time you'll automatically be granted a pass with a minimum score. So, even if you don't study, or don't know anything, you'll get your license. It'll just cost you more money since you have to pay for each exam.
If you don't have any degree, it doesn't look too good I'm afraid...
...why is that? we were just given the waiver this week. could it have been reversed so quickly?
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Those are pretty steep prices Hamster. In the US, you should be able to get certification for 2-5000 USD (assuming you already hold a degree). A lot of school districts will allow you to work during that year, and kick in to cover the certification costs.
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You gotta consider in the costs of going to school full-time as well. After my BA, I got my teaching credentials via an alternative program, which took a little over a year to finish.
Here's one in Texas that costs $3600 just for the tuition. Scroll down and check out all those other fees, especially testing.
Texas Teaching Fellows :: Overview
It seems someone's always trying to lift a few bills from teacher's wallets
BTW, av8tor, do you reckon my teaching qualification (not an education degree, but a teaching certificate that allows me to teach back home) would exempt me from the education component of this new Thai TL scheme?
Last edited by champagne charlie; 3rd February 2008 at 07:45.
What a farce! So basically it's a worthless piece of paper (same as the M6 certificate) and just goes to reflect the disgusting state of education in this country. If this is really the case, just sit the exams and tick any box you want. It will be cheaper than doing the Rajabaht course.
Some teachers also took the Thai culture course. Their certificate was printed on an inkjet printer (and poor quality at that) on plain a4 paper with no embossing. There is also no ID number on the certificate to associate the owner with it. Would be quite easy to get it copied I reckon. So after the course one would hope that the Thai Teachers Council has a recod of who did the course. And what if two John Smith's did the course. How do they know who is who?
Last edited by Loner; 3rd February 2008 at 09:04.
i have no objections with this course as a requirement if its free for all ferrang teachers. Asking people to pay 3-6k or whatever is a joke. show me a course outline, show me an exam example. oh suprise suprise, there isn't one because like many things here its put the feelers out first and then think of how you're going to do it. It may only be 3k but to many thats half your weekly wage. would you fork out half your weekly wage back hme for an irrelevant course you knew nothing about. Of course you wouldn't. Pay now and you're gullible, you'll send all the messages out to your school that they can cheat you. Trust me this is nothing more than a con. we say no on masse and these entrpreneours willcrawl back under the rock which they came from
It wouldn't be unreasonable to ask the school to reimburse the costs after 1-2 years service at your school. So in the event of becoming more qualified (through the new teaching licence/courses), one might ask for a monthly increase in pay from the school. We did ask, and was told a flat NO. Well that attitude might change with the skrinking pool of qualified native speakers over the next few years. In the event that falang teachers resist doing the course / sitting the exams, my guess is that there will be big recruitment drives for Filipino teachers with BEds, thus circumventing the exam requirements.
There is a course outline, maybe somebody else could post. I've got a hard copy in my office, but no scanner. It lists the mandated things that need to be covered, how much time will be spent on them each day, etc.
I agree the course seems useless, but I'm not sure about the con, at least from at my school. They're just following orders, and the word they got is it's got be done. I've worked here for 5 years, they've never dicked me over once, so I believe 'em.
Saying no's just gonna put me out of a good job that I enjoy - No thanks.
BTW, does anyone know of a course I can join up with? I can't make the one scheduled by my school in late Feb due to a important prior commitment. So I'm thinking I could perhaps join another group, hopefully in early Feb or during March.
I need this info PDQ. I'd really, really appreciate it. Please PM.
Thanks mucho
Last edited by champagne charlie; 3rd February 2008 at 09:44.
I agree with CC, more or less. I've been at the my current school for 2 years now and will return for another, and was at my last school for 3 years. In all that time I've never been asked to do any extra classes paid out of my pocket. This seems like a one-off to me so I'll just go ahead and do it if/when the school tells the teachers it is necessary. Teachers in rural areas would understandably feel more negative about this requirement as their salaries are considerably lower.
It's not so much tuition costs that would kill me, it is the relocation costs. I am married and it just isn't financially feasible to maintain two households for a year, along with car payments etc.
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fair enough. Its just strange to me that some have been told to do it and others know nothing. maybe the schools that have been told have not paid enough tea money. I'll say again would you pay half a weeks wage for a course back home if you thought it was unecessary. i wouldn't. Why not give every ferrang the exam, see what they score and identify if the course would be useful. They won't do that because there's no money in it.
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