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[quote=peelieorion]So what you're saying is if you want a good school for your kids you need to buy a house is the area of the good school.Originally Posted by Nemo.
[quote=peelieorion]So what you're saying is if you want a good school for your kids you need to buy a house is the area of the good school.
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Do you really think that schools will just put on more filipino teachers? I don't think that the parents will be too happy about that.
The school I currently work at has just had to put on more farang staff due to the demands of parents. I can't see them demanding or accepting more Filipino staff. And what of schools that wont even employ native speakers who don't have a white face.
Also, with regard to teaching qualifications, is a TEFL or CELTA accepted as a teaching qualification with regard to getting an exemption? In Australia I can teach English with that and a BA in the Tertiary education sector.
[quote=Classic-Chassis]Its a factor you have to consider like anything else. those who can afford it do it. Unfortunately its a fact of life. The poorer the area, the less choice their is. there are exceptions though. my schoo lin england was the poorest out of 123 schools in the borough but we rated in the top 10 and the 3rd best valued added school in england. we had a waiting list of over 50 for the nursery. the problem is these schools don't often attract the best teachers, tougher working conditions and no more money. Not fair i know.
The answer is, apparently, no.
Thanks latm
Just ask around at my school. The Philipinos outnumber the farang teachers by at least 2-1. These changes weren't sudden and the numbers have been increased over several years. Apparently the parents are more accepting nopw than they initially were.
If your qualification allows you to teach in a public / private school in Australia, you are ok. I don;t think the TEFL/CELTA is adequate for the exemption as this would not allow you to teach in regular schools back home. You would need a GradDipEd.
If you are serious about this, you can do the GradDipEd externally through UNE, in Armidale, providing you are currently a full time teacher in your subject area (e.g. you are teaching highschool science now, even in a Thai school). This can be done over one year full time uyp to 4 years part time. I did the latter. The practicum aspect is fullfilled by your work at the school, and your Principal fills out a form on your teaching expertise.
Thanks for the information. My BA is in the Social Sciences, (history, anthropology and polical science). I was asked to teach history at an international school. I was told I was qualified for that with my degree.
I can only comment on discrimination to Filipinos and other non-white farang at the schools I have worked or have friends at. I think it would be good if parents at these schools were more accepting.
I used to work in admin for Griffith Uni and later TAFE. You can teach English at TAFE in QLD with a CELTA/TEFL/DELTA (they ask you to do their Certificate IV in Training and Assesment though over 4 days). I asked at Griffith once and I was told that I could teach English to the overseas students there with TEFL/CELTA. I agree that you would need a GradDipEd to teach in the secondary education sector.
The degree from UNE sounds like a good option though. I will look into that. At least with that I can use in Australia.
It will be interesting to see what the official reaction is when they see that many Phillipinos qualify for the new TLs, while very few Farangs do!
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And I thought that it was just a car!
I thought there were other restrictions on their employment, such as needing a minimum toefl/toeic score? If there are laws like there, I've never seen it enforced. It's not unreasonabe to ask, as many of our students in M5-6, get toefl scores exceeding 500 (highest around 600). Having students find errors in exams, worksheets, or on the board made by teachers doesn't make the school look good. Thewre ARE excellent filipino teachers out there with BEds and other excellent genuine qualifications, but some schools don't seem to get such teachers. Probably, as is the case, more money can be made in other schools overseas. Properly qualified philipino can make over 100K baht overseas in international schools. so why work here for 20K? Same applies for farangs. Why work in an EP for 50K when if you have teaching qualifications, you can earn double that in an International school? Having an internationally recognised qualification will fare you much better in the long run than the Raja course or simply taking the 4 exams.
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You would be too late for this year, as enrolments are due in October/November for the following year. If you don't mind your grades suffering a bit, you could do it over two years, and do two units per semester (you would do the same units I did, but you would do the curriculum units for history/geography, etc), I did mathematics. The workload, is fairly heavy but doable. So if you did a history degree, and are teaching history in an international school, this looks to be your best bet. Note that some states require experience in their own schools, such as in Victoria. That wasn't a great concer to me,as I'm not sure if I'll ever return to work there. It might be for you though. Anyway the GradDipEd is a HECS based course, so no big upfront fees. Maybe one day I'll pay it back lol. UNE - UNE web - The University of New England, Armidale, New South Wales, Australia
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Well fock it. I'll wait till our women in charge of the paper work gets back to me about all of this.
Looks like the people who are in charge of doing this changing regarding the TL haven't got a real clue what anyone really needs or if it will be the same for everyone or if they'll change it again in the future.
Going to sit and wait this one out.
Hi, just out of curiosity. I am currently studying for the PGCE (Post-graduate Certificate in Education) and I will maybe complete the Postgraduate diploma at some stage. I am doing this through University of South Queensland and also by distance learning. I would be interested in knowing the difference between the graduate diploma and the post-graduate diploma. Is there one?
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Garro does your PGCE have a practical component and is it a year long course? I think this is not the same as the typical PGCE that the Brits do. Definately get the diploma. If that allows you to teach in a Qld school, thats all you need. I've heard of post graduate certificates but they are 6 months long and with no practical component. I'm not sure how the Thai teachers Council will view your course, as the mention BEd, Diploma, and 'teaching certification'. I reckon if your qualification allows you to teach in Qld you will be right.
Hi Loner, the course is 4 modules long for the certificate and six for the diploma. I am doing it via distance learning. I suppose it would be possible for somebody to do the certificate in six months but it would be tough going. I plan to finish it in three/four semesters. I have already completed one module and will begin another next month. It is possible to go on and do the masters in education with a further two units after the diploma as well as some research. As far as I'm aware the course is well respected, and there are ESL teachers who have used it in Korea and Japan. I am not aware of anybody who has used it in Thailand as yet. As it's by distance learning there is no practical component, but you do need to already be in a teaching position in order to apply. I have never been to Australia so I'm not sure if it's enough on its own to secure work in Qld. I am hoping that it will be enough to secure my teaching future in Thailand. Otherwise it will be an expensive mistake.
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Texas teaching credential will get you exempted from the exams and/or DipEd program.
You're gonna be out 500 baht for the license application, plus whatever your cost winds up for the Culture Course.
You'll then have a Teachers Council TL (good for gov, private, vocational, and language centers), and can put all this crap behind you, show the letter from the Council to the man at Migra, and go merrily on your way.
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Can you explain "BA in the Tertiary education sector"? That, by itself, should exempt you from everything but the culture course. In the US, you don't get a BEd, you get a BA in Education. That's good enough, without the CELTA/TESOL.
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We received our temporary teaching licenses some time ago, and now have to do a course at Ratchapat. The cost is 80,000 BHT and so far it is available only in Lopburi. More locations will be available soon. As far as I remember (I read the letter about a month ago), you can apply 'till the end of August - there were 3 starting dates, one starting soon.
The boss told us to wait, until the course is available closer to our school - there is a ratchapat about 25 km away.
I have been a teacher at a government school, and so far we never needed a license.
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