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    Teaching entry rules to be eased

    Haven't seen the article below posted on here, so here it is. Forgive me if it was somewhere hidden on the forum.

    Graduates with non-education degrees will find it easier to get teaching jobs, under a proposal before the government.

    Education Minister Suchart Thada-Thamrongvech has instructed the Office of the Education Council (OEC) to look at amending the 2003 Teachers and Educational Personnel Council Act to make it easier for graduates to find work in the profession and help overcome a teacher shortage.

    The law should be amended and the OEC would oversee the process, Mr Suchart told a seminar held yesterday to discuss the teacher shortage.

    Organised by the OEC in response to a shortage of teachers in mathematics, sciences and English, the seminar looked at ways in which non-education graduates could obtain professional teaching certificates.
    Section 44 of the 2003 Teachers and Educational Personnel Council Act says applicants for a professional teacher licence must be aged 20 and over.

    They must possess an education degree or equivalent, or other degrees accredited by the Teachers Council of Thailand (TCT).

    They must also complete at least one year of teaching, and finally must meet the teaching practice requirements set by the TCT board.

    Those without education degrees are currently required to take an additional one-year course in education at a university. If they pass the course, they can apply for a teaching licence from the TCT.

    The regulation prevents many graduates in a wide variety of majors from landing teaching jobs, which has contributed to a shortage of teachers, especially in science and mathematics.
    Anek Permvongseni, the OEC secretary-general, said he believed students will benefit by learning from teachers drawn from a wide variety of backgrounds.

    Montri Chulavatnatol, deputy president of the Thai Academy of Science and Technology Foundation, said a teaching licence must remain a requirement to maintain standards for teachers.

    "The change could affect education graduates, who will find it harder to find jobs as they will have more people competing with them," Mr Montri said.
    Teaching entry rules to be eased | Bangkok Post: news

    I take it that the article applies to Thai teachers but an amendment of the 2003 Teachers and Educational Personnel Council Act will eventually also apply to foreign teachers.

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    I've read that somewhere before

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    ^ Well, I hope not here.

    Anyways, the amendment is about allowing holders of a degree in science with a major in science related subjects such as mathematics, biology, chemistry, physics, environmental studies and so on but also degrees in English and perhaps degrees in TEFL and TESOL to enter the teaching profession without doing the one year graduate diploma in the teaching profession course or sitting the professional knowledge tests.

    The article is about Thai degree holders but as they're talking about an amendment, it will eventually also apply to foreign teachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petch01 View Post
    The article is about Thai degree holders but as they're talking about an amendment, it will eventually also apply to foreign teachers.
    I'm not going to disagree with you, but how do you figure it would also apply to foreign teachers?
    Foreign teachers and Thai teachers are like apples and durians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NokYai View Post
    but how do you figure it would also apply to foreign teachers?
    Opposed amendment, NokYai.

    Quote Originally Posted by NokYai View Post
    Foreign teachers and Thai teachers are like apples and durians.
    Degree in education:
    Thai teachers: check
    Foreign teachers: check

    Provisional teaching permit:
    Thai teachers: check
    Foreign teachers: check

    Graduate diploma in the teaching profession:
    Thai teachers: check
    Foreign teachers: not available within Thailand

    TCT professional knowledge tests:
    Thai teachers: check
    Foreign teachers: check

    Culture Course:
    Thai teachers: not applicable
    Foreign teachers: check

    Entering the profession without a teacher license
    Thai teachers: recently stopped. Entering the profession requires a teacher license. As a reward, they can become a government official after three years on duty.
    Foreign teachers: if they have a provisional teaching permit

    Not apples and durians in this case, NokYai.

    Lemons and limes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petch01 View Post
    "The change could affect education graduates, who will find it harder to find jobs as they will have more people competing with them," Mr Montri said.
    Nonsense. They will be the first hired unless they are completely useless. What will happen is people will stop doing the extra year of school needed for the education degree. Can't see how they'll be any less ready to teach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Ho View Post
    Nonsense. They will be the first hired unless they are completely useless. What will happen is people will stop doing the extra year of school needed for the education degree. Can't see how they'll be any less ready to teach.
    how will you be any less prepared without an extra year of school dedicated solely to learning how to teach? most of the kids i had in my education classes had never given a presentation longer than 10 minutes, let alone lead a classroom of 20-40 for over an hour. Everyone loves to think that teaching is easy, sure it can be really easy if you talk for 5 minutes and then pass out worksheets for 55 minutes. The worst teachers I ever had as a student were the ones that knew the most about their field of study, with a head full of knowledge and not even the slightest clue how to convey a simple idea in a conversation.

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    ^ Have you ever been in a Thai classroom?

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    ^have you ever been anywhere other than a thai classroom?

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    ^ My comment was directed at Thai teachers, which is the subject of the OP.

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    It's all about the Thai teachers but will eventually have effects for foreign teachers.

    Isn't that what we all want? Lowering the entry-requirements?

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    ^ Not really, all we need is a degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petch01 View Post
    Isn't that what we all want? Lowering the entry-requirements?
    no. just some realism and judgment in crafting the requirements.
    Imodium can't stop me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeusbheld View Post
    just some realism and judgment in crafting the requirements.
    Sounds good to me. Cheers.

    Many will not agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petch01 View Post
    Sounds good to me. Cheers.
    met a bureaucrat once. she wasn't stupid at all. but... she was gruesomely out of touch. this, i think, is *a* problem. maybe *the* problem...

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