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About LinkBacksI'm wondering how Thai authorities would even know about a dual citizen....it's not like they care at the airport, or have anything on the passport forms. Just don't mention it and they probably won't even ask.Originally Posted by Ban Saray
I'm wondering how Thai authorities would even know about a dual citizen....it's not like they care at the airport, or have anything on the passport forms. Just don't mention it and they probably won't even ask.
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The more I think about it the more I think that a stint in the Thai army might be a good thing. There's too many kids around with no manners, no respect and no discipline and it's very unlikely that they would ever be in a genuine combat situation so lessons would be learnt safely.
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"...it's very unlikely that they would ever be in a genuine combat situation so lessons would be learnt safely."
Do you mean other than the terrorist activity in the South?
not strictly a 'combat situation' i.e. an army facing an army about to engage in symmetrical warfare.
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A relatively small force is deployed in the Deep South and I'm guessing that only the more experienced and / or long term soldiers would be sent.
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I doubt your son will have any problems with his Thai Nationality. I would worry more about losing his US Citizenship. It states somewhere (at least I read it while renewing my US Passport) that if you enlist in or perform any other country's military duties that disqualifies you from renewing your US citizenship. So this means if you register your son in the Thai military draft (and the US consulate finds out) your son may lose his US citizenship or be denied a US passport.
Basically as far as the US is concerned there -IS- no such thing as "dual-citizenship". You might have dual-passports but there is a fineline between holding a passport and having that country's citizenship.
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Huh? Surely if you have a passport you have citizenship? (Excepting things like British Overseas passports, etc).
Dual citizenship is no special status in one country. It's just having citizenship rights in more than one country.
If you want your son to retain Thai citizenship rights into adulthood he should be treated like any other Thai citizen and put his name forward, otherwise they might ask why he deserves to hold the privilege. No, it's probably not going to be detected at the immigration gate if he's dodged the draft, but I'm sure that if he undertakes other legal procedures once inside Thailand or renews a passport, ID, gets married, pays tax, buys property, etc there's always a chance it might get detected.
On the other hand, I'd be asking the Thai Embassy as well.
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"...that disqualifies you from renewing your US citizenship."
Are you talking about renewing a passport? If not, I've never heard of anyone having to renew citizenship. I believe. in most cases, you have to specifically renounce US citizenship to lose it.
"Basically as far as the US is concerned there -IS- no such thing as "dual-citizenship"."
I have a letter from the State Dept saying it's okay for my daughter to have two passports. They, I'm sure, are fully aware that she has to be a citizen of the other country to get a passport there. So, while they might not spell out the word 'dual', at least the State Dept has no problem with the concept.
"...but there is a fineline between holding a passport and having that country's citizenship."
I'm sure there are exceptions, but for most of us, isn't being a citizen of a country a basic requirement for getting a passport for that country?
Just pay the fee and get your boy exempted.
Don't make him lose his Thai citizenship. He'll thank you posthumously when he retires in Thailand on a western salary.
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I don't think it will be the kind of experience you'd hope for your son.The more I think about it the more I think that a stint in the Thai army might be a good thing. There's too many kids around with no manners, no respect and no discipline...
Those "junior soldiers" are often just cheap labor for the higher-ups. They get them to wash their cars, do yardwork, change tiles on the roof, etc.
I'll "pay the fee" as expatwannabe suggests. If either of my kids want to try soldiering...it will be the Canadian Forces.
I have a friend whose brother retired with a full pension at 37.
[Wish I went that route.].
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PS. My wifes brother is a soldier and so is a brother-in-law. I don't hear good stories about the calibre of person in the Thai forces..
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I don't think he should.
I've got dual nationality like Heng, though mine is Thai and Australian. Thai law gives you the choice to renounce Thai citizenship between ages 20 and 21. It isn't complusory, but for those born to a foreign father, the law provides a one year window to renoucne- if you so wish. There is no penalty if you don't.
As for military service, if your son stays overseas, then she should be fine, though it is best to take him off the family's tabieen baan, if he is on it. At that point, the military can't send out draft letters when he turns 18. No draft letter, no avoidance, officially.
The military can only draft you between 18 and and the year you turn 30. Once over 30, you are home free. In my case, I stayed off the tabieen baan until I was 29. Once I did that, I reported to my local sasadee, or conscription office.
I was officially fined 100 baht for reporting late, but then officially exempted as I was over 30. I received my draft exemption certificate and a letter stating under which law this was possible. Technically, like all non-active Thai males, I'm actually on a reserves list, but those who are exempted after 30 are so down the pecking order of potentially being called up that you don't worry about it.
As for travelling to and from Thailand before 30, that is not a problem. I came to Thailand for extend periods of time before turning 30, using my Thai passport. Immigration and the military don't talk to each other, so they won't know/don't care about your draft status.
As for my Thai passport, before 30 I alway made sure that I applied for my Thai PP at an embassy outside of Thailand. When you do this, they only require a Thai birth certificate as proof to apply for a passport. If you apply in Thailand, you need to be on the tabieen baan, which means, that you are on the radar for being conscripted.
I've posted lots about this issue over at the Thai Visa forum, I suggest you look there for more info.
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Yes he will considered as "criminal" if he defaults the draft.
Him being raised in the US, there a good chance that he will be drafted...
The question is how bad is the military service to him?
Will he be using his Thai citizenship in the future like for opening a business for instance?
Can you bribe the right person to avoid him the trouble?
(you still have 3 years to go)
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