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Originally Posted by buddahas
Having been in Thailand, both of you have a good idea of what this guy is really going to go through in prison. Yet you support and promote this guy's demise in a system that maintains antiquated approaches to drug use and is rife with human rights abuses. Nice.
Are you fucking serious? Go make mountains from mole hills.
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The guy is (was) looking for a lawyer.... to help someone out....not a fukin innward looking lecture on the dos and donts of drug use!
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I would say ketamine is not a very bad drug, from the research I have been making. it is, after all, a pharmaceutical anaesthetic. and it is often used on humans, even today, for surgery in many countries, both in the east and the west. yes, it is also a surgical anaesthetic for many types of animals, from horses to gerbils. it is almost impossible to overdose, and it is non-addictive. also, there are basically no physical side-effects. I am pretty sure that Thailand has it as a Category 2, but most other countries rank it as a Category/Schedule 3
as a matter of fact, this individual has already been granted bail. his family flew to Thailand and by some miracle they got him out on bail. however, he is still in big trouble, and could still face prison in the end. the court is holding his passport now, and they will not return it until the case is finished. the lawyer seems to think he can get probation, with a fine, and deportation... of course, the smaller the results from the lab, on the final charge sheet, the more likely this outcome is. which is why we are focusing on this now.
we do not think fleeing is an option. there is a bilateral treaty with thailand and USA for extradition, although I might hazard a guess that for a case this small that might not happen in the end... however, it could seriously damage this individual's future at home, if he can't get a passport again, or if he faces criminal charges... who knows? we have no idea how a situation like that might play out, which is precisely why we are hoping for a good, legal, resolution through the Thai system. we are all hoping the court will be lenient, but from what we know the thai courts are very unpredictable, and they can give extremely harsh sentences for (relatively) small infractions.
yes, my friend did something stupid. but he is a good person and we all know he wasn't trying to hurt anyone. from what I understand of Thai prison, I absolutely believe that he does not deserve to spend years of his life in prison there for this one mistake. I don't know what he was thinking, no one can figure out why he was so stupid (least of all himself, from speaking to him, he is extremely angry at himself), but again, he is a good person.
thank you for any help or opinion. the reason I came to this board is that I talked to another friend of mine who teaches in Thailand, and he recommended this board as a place where foreigners living a long time in Thailand like to chat. he suggested that people here might have some greater knowledge, or that they might be able to give me a specific contact that could help. who knows?? right now we are trying any and every avenue we can to try and find a solution.
^ Good luck.
A very difficult situation.
A very big understatement.
Good post by the way gl0, you seem to be heading along the right track.
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It would be good to know the outcome if you'd care to let us know. Good Luck.
I remember what a US Vice Consul told me once in Mexico. If you ever get arrested again, put some money on the table, turn and walk away very very fast. It doesn't matter if you have your passport or not, just get to the nearest consulate and they will replace it for you. In other words, flee.
Good luck.
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Didn't know that about Sadao, Whitey. Thanks for the (possibly) helpful info. You never know what might happen in the future eh?
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I gave it a little thought, and you are correct. It was a dick post and I deleted it.Having been in Thailand, both of you have a good idea of what this guy is really going to go through in prison. Yet you support and promote this guy's demise in a system that maintains antiquated approaches to drug use and is rife with human rights abuses. Nice.
Almost no one deserves to be in a Thai prison and that includes me if I was to get in any trouble thanks toand drug dealers in Thailand.
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You wont find better advice than that. No way should he take his chances with the Thai courts. He should get out any way he can. There's no way thata US judge will grant extradition from the US to Thailand for a case like this!
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Flee.
Be tried in USA if need be. At least there, he gets due process. Federal time in USA would be difficult but a cakewalk compared to thai prison. By the way, most Thais facing similar flee via Cambodia. (Pay someone to get him to PP. Then get a new passport there and deal with the illegal immigration issue at the airport.
Jursidiction hopping will probably get him off this time. But forget about ever coming back here.
Overland options exist. Forget about the bail money. Make sure the trip out of Cambo or Malaysia does not route through Bangkok.
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Some sound advice in those recent posts. You will find no justice trying to work within the "system" in Thailand.
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Take his ass back to the States asap. I'd much rather face the music in the States then deal with the bullshit system here. I'd imagine his sentence here will be especially harsh.
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