hentaigaijin

no joke but an important consideration. it goes back to that "teacher's diary" stuff. it's not the teachers' fault either - they're not always valued, respected or renumerated as they should be. this can lead to people not giving a fuck.

Bangkok Phil

It's one of the few ways you can get to stay and live here. It was certainly the case years ago but there are far more opportunities outside teaching now.

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diaw

In my personal experience, I honestly think that teachers are never paid their true worth. Teaching in a professional way, to some really odd mixes of learners, can be pure hell & does require a very special type of person.

hentaigaijin

maybe they should see it as an opportunity rather than a chore and rise to the challenge. i've one mate in particular who never would have seen himself as a teacher who found that he was actually quite good at it and it gave him a lot of satisfaction. he would never have had that chance in UK.

diaw

That's an excellent thought.

All support to a mid-life, or late-life career-change. With the correct re-training, many an excellent teacher can be developed. I would imagine, though, that this re-training should surely extend beyond a short course, to a longer-duration study program?

A two-week, or even 8-week course, will never be enough to produce a first-class teacher.

banjo

Because the rewards are not worth it. Outside of a couple of foreign run schools no-one cares what qualifications you've got. There's no added value. Designated tefl qualifications are hardly recognised at all. Any university degree is the norm - and quite frankly, that's hardly a qualification at all - even if it's in a 'related' field.

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Ha! The mask slips!!

hentaigaijin

a university degree is a guarantee of a certain level of formal education. the same formal level of education you would expect of someone teaching your children, surely.

self-respect. pride in oneself. cash? not really.

imported_Lovebucket

how about 5 yrs on the job training! now i get students recommending me to their companies. bangkok rayong hospital to mention one. i was a reasonable sales manager in uk, and i don't think i'll be working for much longer than it would take me to get a degree.

ps. my uk job required a degree too, which the employer waived because i'd worked for 13 years in the same business of technical sales.

never needed one so far, and if you're going to say "well, taking a degree shows commitment to see a thing through", you can shove a sock in it!

Forget

Stop pulling yourself off over getting a degree and a CELTA; your mum might be proud of you but it's not really much of an achievement and this constant self-congratulation over such a trivial accomplishment is pathetic.

diaw

I wonder if decent 'self-study', or internet-linked training courses for re-training teachers, exist? These could be followed post-celta etc.

In my own field - even though I have had extensive experience in my game - it was the fact that I began PhD studies that finally clinched the deal. We have been gradually strengthening & expanding the relationship & responsibilities over the past 2 years.

The committment to further re-training must surely pay off in the long-run - even if only to improve one's self-confidence.

mad_dog

I thought you had left Diaw?

ajarn farang

that goes without saying (and in fact, i have said it many times already). how about both?

education requires education. only in mickey mouse countries would one have this debate.

nope. you've been successful in another career so you already proved you are suitable in terms of character, obviously. however, a degree demonstrates you yourself have academic aptitude (the kids and the schools seem to like that - fuck knows why, ey!).

i'm not. the CELTA is fuck all really but it came in mighty useful.

my mum is a fat scouse slag who used to swing me round the room by my hair. but yes actually she is proud as fuck. she was very bright as a kid but never got the opportunity to study.

pea-brain. that's why i tell you that you are a COMEDY FIGURE!!

don't know what you're on about mate??!! actually, it's all that i learned that made me happy, not being able to say "i'm a graduate tra-la-la-la-la"; there are far too many graduates out there for one to feel special. if you'd had a university education, you'd understand.

ah! the plot thickens.. :twogirls:

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how about doing a degree for the sake of a degree? a teacher would relish such a thing!!

hentaigaijin

work hard, play hard!!

ajarn farang

but not on a school night!! :chug: