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In Thailand? No chance! Too lazy, unable to understand anything written in English, don't really care.
...so they should be. When HM does one it may well be carnage here.
It's free software.
Thailand goes back to the stoneage.
A TB external harddisk can be bought for around 6,000 baht.
Space is not the issue.
Privacy of access and freedom when surfing are.
We must not confuse statistical probability with some transcendental and utterly compelling force.
If it was as simple as that, then wouldn't posts along the line of, "Now Thailand is joining in with draconian internet censorship", be more apt, rather than posts claiming that the Thai authorities in particular must be afraid of something, with supporting "evidence" that they are the only country to have such rules, quoted in the post?
When people talk about the state of the economy here, for example, I see comments about how stupid the Thais are and how they couldn't run a bath blah blah blah. It is much more than a commentary on local events by interested parties. I don't see such comments aimed at the British or Americans when the parlous state of their respective economies are discussed.
Smacks of a misplaced sense of superiority by people unhappy with their own achievements (not referring to this thread particularly here).
I've yet to see a sensible balanced debate on here about any local events, unaccompanied by childish insults.
Out of my mind. Back in five minutes.
Maybe when it's not illegal to discuss the most influential aspect of life in Thailand, it'll be easier to have a sensible, balanced debate.
Well if we could perhaps have a discussion as to the history of Thai culture and possible reasons for their reverence of the monarchy, without using phrases like stupid sheep, maybe that would be a start.
I really don't understand your obsession with that one detail of Thai society though. There are many subjects to discuss but you and one other I can think of, delight in bringing that one point up repeatedly. It's almost as if you just have a desire to rebel. I mean the monarchy is not the most influential aspect of day to day Thai life for most adults, surely you can think of other topics?
Out of my mind. Back in five minutes.
whats that smacked with? bitterness?
sage, one need only bring it up, in reasonable fashion to offend thais. come on man, youve been here long enough to know that.
its everywhere. the monarchy isnt a fringe of thailand. everyone wears yellow on monday, pink on others, and purple on the remaining days when told to.
whats the other side of the debate there? isnt the reason why they do that obvious? or does that point need to be driven home each and every single time its brought up.
we're all adjusting to life in a very different place. we call out and bark like dogs when we see what is different- or what is seemingly nonsensical....all in attempt to fit it into our understanding.
whos wrong to do that?
i just want to plug my Fuck China thread
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Without wanting to be too dramatic (no, seriously), I'm not gonna get into this with you, Sage. You're a good friend and it's not worth falling out over.
dont good friends have fierce debate nick?
y'all are english for crying out loud. debating is a national sport
try pulling his pants down.
he's a squirmer
hence, the desire to debate it!
Read the TrackMeNot thread if you're concerned about a way out and tired of the Drac stuff.
Brilliant idea this is. It sends a whole bunch of searches to the tracking system while you're on the I.
There is a window that tells you what sites you are searching (but not really searching). They are so innocent it'll make you laugh. Potty training is now appearing. Now it's Westminster College offers ...
What this does is put you out of reach of any profiling. There are too many searches to pin you down.
Genius it is!!
Well, you managed to introduce it into a thread about internet laws. I just asked why people couldn't voice constructive criticisms of issues in Thailand without being childish and insulting and you went off on a tangent about the monarchy.
Bollocks. It doesn't influence things most people spend most of the time doing. I am talking about going about your life day to day.
That's also not true. Everyone?? Really?
I think you are both deliberately misconstruing what I am saying. The monarchy may be a very important part of Thai culture but most of one's life is spent doing things that don't relate to it.
What I failt to understand though, is why the fuck that should bother anyone. If you were to ask me what things annoyed me in Thai culture, then I would pick things that actually affected me, such as I do not like to share my food with anyone, so I don't like the Asian way of sharing many dishes of food. Whether or not I am allowed to be derogatory about the monarchy is a very minor point to me. I mean the monarchy was never top of the list of discussion topics when I was back home. I see no point in adopting a sanctimonious crusading attitude towards something that a) you cannot change and b) does not really obstruct you from doing what you want on a daily basis.
Why get indignant about it?
What about when you were back in the UK. Did you ever protest about anything, like the holding without charging laws or restricting of protests around Westminster, or is it just here?
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Out of my mind. Back in five minutes.
ok, honest question here...
where do you draw the line from
"observable X which is speak-worthy" ......from....."X which is fixed unmovable and boring , and not a worthy or appropriate way to spend energy/time thinking about"
when does that change? can you find that point -and/or- articulate either where it is, or how it functions?
...the spitefulness you think you hear in this argument is the backlash from the opressive blanket of censorship.
remove the negativity from the discussion, and the laws of censorship that provoke it. start clean...
where can we draw the line from interesting new X--- from--- dull unmovable not-interesting X?
No, bitterness at what anyway?
Do you honestly feel oppressed then?
Of course one can't articulate where such a point is, as it would by its nature, be unique for each individual. So I think our difference of opinion arises from why this particular point is of such importance to you.
Let me try again to explain my feelings. Whether or not I agree with the current laws is not what I am discussing. I would say that I don't think the majority of Thai people are against those laws. Even if they were, that would be for them to protest, not me. Now, before you accuse me of being someone who stands idly by and enables such oppression, I think we should get some perspective here.
These are not laws that are advocating the abuse of children or similar. They are laws that restrict the freedom of speech in a certain direction. If I were the type of chap who wanted to campaign for freedom of speech in other people's countries then I can think of many more oppressive regimes where my time could be put to better use.
If it was something that bothered me greatly, I guess I would have chosen a different country to live in. Why I don't get hot under the collar about this law is simply from the selfish viewpoint that it has never stopped me from doing anything I wanted to do, since coming here.
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Out of my mind. Back in five minutes.
i assumed you knew what you meant when you said...
bitter MAY be projecting onto them anxieties like that
as a guest, knowing that im temporary fixture here, no i dont.
when i consider myself as part of this society (not unamerican- because my home will always be the usa) i do feel like there is a real sense of conformity vis a vis expression- and the ability to publicy express oneself. personally sage, i came from a family of artists. not wild hippy artists- rather conservative- but being able to hold nothing too sacred as to not approach it, really cuts at some bedrock principles there.
but you said in the previous sentence, you cant articulate what that is. if you object to what other find interesting, surely you can find at what point something becomes uniteresting
for me, when censorship enters the public domain, and not just a private filtering of private information (like a club holding its secrets) its offensive. a group is literally telling me how to think.
maybe you dont feel infringed when someone does that to you. to you, "get in line", is just the place they want you to stand....so be it....ill stand there.
but for others, "get in line" is a command that encroaches on personal liberties, which are generally held to be universal (
but welcoming its not. and when i think about how my little one will grow up, i consider how freedom of thought affects his life. so in a long term way, it does bother me.
you have a wonderful travellers attitude. citan too is like this. seemingly unaffected by the policy decisions of his host.unaffected and positive. i wish i could have that thinking for about 4 hours a day, when i get into my frustrated suit
but props to ya man, for being so open and positive
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