I've never done porn in an Internet shop. One bad this is that the logs kept of teachers visiting sites that talk about Thai politics might come under scrutiny, um, like this one, TD, and who knows how many others. Another thing is that if porn sires are visited they will surly have the links to a whole lot of them they don't know about already. After the 23rd, be careful of Xs on site names. It will be especially hard for me too as I do a lot of GTA searches, however I don't own #4 .. yet.
whats more profound than a cop stopping you, making you cow tow, not letting you leave and demanding you pay or else?Originally Posted by Mr. Hales
OR ELSE!
hales, youre not making the "whole systems" argument about, say, stock market crime- are you?
you legislate laws for that, or take people to court for those deviances of law that cause system damage. you dont need to call your uncle, at 11pm, to find a way to get 200$ to give to a shady cop--we dont have that back home mate.
just ask anyone who is stopped by the cops- right then and there- whats more important to them, economic systems damage- OR- your ass right now looking at spending the night in jail, unless you dont cough up the dough.
comparing a "systems damage" and that of a direct threat to your safety and livelihood is bit off, no?
id take a legal scuffle, even if its damaging to ones funds- over- the direct intimidation by lawless cops. sorry, thailand is a shit load more corrput than anything we have back home.
just imagine the same system, except a gillion times richer. you dont think the same, if not worse would happen? geesh!
lots live there, but consider it home? really?
i've already given several examples, the way i see it mate...but it's subjective isn't it. i stand by my point. i think thai corruption is of the 'tesco value' variety...the west is rocking some 'harrods' shit.
think about it mate...it's more visible, in yer face but ultimately fairly petty. where's yer home? u.s.a.? ooo, look at that first bush 'election'...think about the implications of that.
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"dead man, i only hear a rattle when you breathe."
and Thaksin made a billion by working hardand top cops, soldiers and politicians in Thailand are filthy rich because they're lucky
sure, USA and UK are 'bigger' than Thailand, and things that happen there are arguably more important than in Thailand and have more effect, but to suggest these countries are more corrupt than Thailand seems a bit far fetched. Fact is, normal people have to deal with corrupt officials all the time in Thailand, and I'm sure they don't think it's petty. Meanwhile, the elite in their ivory towers are busy making their fortunes because they're clever and sophisticated and of course follow the law to the letter...and you can be sure they're not interested in 'Tesco' deals
And the 2000 people who died in the 'war on drugs' were all criminals who died in feuds between gangsters of course, and the 80 odd who died in the Tak Bai 'incident' deserved it or died accidentally. Of course, the culprits are all in prison by now and the independent media is hounding the big bosses who ordered it all
What do we mean by saying one country is more corrupt than another? Total $? How the public authorities abuse their power? or the extent to which corruption taints almost every aspect of society? 2 out of 3 aint bad.
Tescos corruption. Happens all the time in Coventry
Shortly after the incident, PM Thaksin Shinawatra's first response defended the army's actions and said the men died "because they were already weak from fasting during the month of Ramadan."
As of January 1, 2006, no members of the security forces responsible were brought to justice Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont gave a formal apology for the incident on 2 November 2006 [wikipedia]
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Sur votre bicyclette, mate.
but in making comparisons, youd say thai elections are AS corrupt or MORE SO than the usa?
id say government here is a hell of a lot more corrupt man.
hell, they pay locals in issan to vote for certain candidates- and have been doing it for years and years. and i dont mean election mongering like media manipulation we see in the states....i mean straight up giving families money so that everyone- repeat- everyone votes in their favor. you cant see the difference?
its just not the same volume or intensity. its magnitudes more in thailand.
...on every level.
and thats not a 'pass' for us. its a simple recognition of reality.
why does thailand need help to be propped up? it certainly has its great points. corruption, rule of law, and conformity vis a vis censorship, are not the ones we need to prop up and say, "aww it aint that bad" to give thailand legitimacy.
if its a genuine cut at america, then so be it. but thats not the issue. i think you were claiming that thailand is less corrupt than america. it clearly isnt even close. not a matter of opinion mate.
your choice of nicks- now thats a matter of opinion
Less so than the US mate....read 'The Best Democracy Money Can Buy'...fucking shocking mate...but they do hide it better than here I'd agree with that!
I'd say America is personally mate.id say government here is a hell of a lot more corrupt man.
Yeah they're more honest about it and upfront here...I prefer that.....media manipulation and not followed through on promises are worse IMO! Subjective though I'd guess! Although if you read the book above....you'll probably see it's worse in the States....certainly for that election.hell, they pay locals in issan to vote for certain candidates- and have been doing it for years and years. and i dont mean election mongering like media manipulation we see in the states....i mean straight up giving families money so that everyone- repeat- everyone votes in their favor. you cant see the difference?
I don't know mate...the only time I've paid a bribe....was to save 1,500 Baht...I personally think that's a good thing.its just not the same volume or intensity. its magnitudes more in thailand.
...on every level.
To you.and thats not a 'pass' for us. its a simple recognition of reality.
Also can't remember the last time Thailand invaded a country due to lies and money.....how many peopel have died in Iraq now?
Legalising corruption IMO....doesn't make it any less 'corrupt'!!!
Riddle me this brother can you handle it
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I cheat and steal and sin and I'm a cynic
really?
faaaaaaaark...i wouldn't.
oh but it is now tho isn't it...
as my man rob z said, "you're right from your side, i'm right from mine".
absolutely!
agree.
"dead man, i only hear a rattle when you breathe."
Eh? What kind of a platitude is that? If something is within the law, then how can it be corrupt to do it? We may not like it or agree with it, but that's the way the law works. You might say it's immoral or unethical but you can't say it's corrupt.
Not really. Look at transparency international or similar organisations which monitor corruption very closely and very seriously. Thailand is way down compared to the UK. Much better than Indonesia though. Again, it's the morality of the places which can be judged on one's personal yardstick.
How many have they killed in the "drug war"? In the southern insurgency? In pro-democracy rallies? etc.
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Until this day, we had doubts. It seemed too big to be true (read here)… The shamefull Cyber Crime Act, pushed by the Junta in 2007 (read here)… included an obligation for “Internet services providers” to store Internet traffic datas for 90 days.
Log systems for everybody ?
So where was the PAD then? The PAD, People Against Democracy...
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based where?
robi, come now mate, ye're a smart cat...anything can be 'proved'!
"dead man, i only hear a rattle when you breathe."
thats the rhetorical argument....the west must be bad in X ways BECAUSE thailand ISNT that bad.
just rhetoric man. no way does thailand compare to any western country insofar as corruption goes. it just isnt.
:eyroll: hard to make an arguement when some would say that laws are corrupt..and those dang democratically elected officials who made those laws. OH! and the public forums they have to debate the issue. dang commies in democracies.
the "thailand is corrupt" argument isnt weakened by saying american or western laws arent moral.
for peeps sake....any immoral law in the west has at least a cousin (or 12
is the "west is corrupt" department saying that thai laws are just, equal and fair to all?
(...fair to all who drive bmw's and benzes)
like thai laws are shining examples of public trust in actioncompared to the west.
IMHO, laws are pretty much the same, except the lease of his majesty....the difference is enforcement and seriousness of the legal system.
no-one posted that bub.
how are such people chosen?
o = opinion.
"dead man, i only hear a rattle when you breathe."
i cant look it up, but i think its pretty obvious, to even a brain dead observer that thailand is extremely corrupt. need you more examples from not just military coups, institutionalized payoffs, local briberies as the norm....not even that but just normal levels of stark, in-your-face corruption?
come on man. you can admit it.
I just woke up from a nap .. what do you want?a brain dead observer
nothing special.
as you were...
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