It was, yes.Originally Posted by parnassos
To be honest, with this topic I avoid it for the most part because I really, really want to talk about Elvis' stake in all of this and although lots of people here are making good points, there;s a massive gap in the debate which is essential to understanding the whole mess.
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No kidding. Although, to be fair, the dramatis personae, at least on the UDD side, are constrained in the same way, so the debate, such as it is, mirrors at least the visible part of the situation.
I'm currently rereading Thak's Thailand: The Politics of Despotic Paternalism and am becoming convinced that Prem is as central to this as the Reds make out. We can talk about Prem, yes?
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There is no doubt that Prem is central to this. You can talk about him, but I would urge you to exercise caution. His present role puts him in a kind of grey area.
...you get what you need.
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^Yes. I believe there have been suggestions that LM law should extend to the Privy Council.
As yet, it does not.
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Completely.
Can we talk about him? I'd presume so, but only partially of course. Anyway, things will be a lot easier when nature eventually takes its course. If I were the Reds, I'd build the base, solidify the movement and just be patient.
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^In spite of yet another "last push" tone of apocalyptic endings around the million-man march, I think that is just what they are doing.
Thak's take, crudely put, is that Phibun dominated Thai politics from roughly 1935-1957. Then the Sarit era, 1957-1973. Then a few years of freeform slippage in a democratic direction, ending with the seating of Prem as PM in 1980. It is beginning to seem to me that we are witnessing the end of the Prem era and that this "periodicity" is more significant than any other.
Which would mean that Thailand has experienced only 3 "real" leaders in the 78 years since the Revolution. Weird.
My apologies to Acharn Thak.
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agree.
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no you dunce, i didn't post that. think about what i did post.
think about it.
"don't be afraid, you're already dead." a.f.
isn't that what any sensible, reasonable, well educated adult in a modern society would do?
Sometimes my mind wanders, sometimes it leaves completely
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I ALWAYS GIVE A 100% AT WORK:
12% Monday
23% Tuesday
40% Wednesday
20% Thursday
5% Friday
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Well, they acted like it was some elaborate religious ritual which it was 100% NOT:
"At 4.50pm, Jatuporn Prompan, a UDD leader, a man dressed in white as a Brahman, and another man holding a Buddha statue in his arms, walked to Gate No 2 where a religious rite was performed. The brahman cited spells and incantations and poured an amount of blood in front of the gate.
After that the brahman took some of the blood from the ground to write letters on the concrete posts of the gate."
My friend is an extremely devout Buddhist. She goes to Buddhist discussion groups almost every day. She told me they discussed this 'blood' topic and it is definitely not part of Buddhist practices of Thailand nor has it been in the past. It has to do with practices from non-Buddhist religions.
Last edited by Logic Dictates; 19th March 2010 at 13:17.
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Glory be to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and to the Midgit, and to the Pirates. As it was in the beginning, is now (With a mountain), and ever shall be(and trees), world without end (and with Pirates). R'Amen.
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"Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." - Friedrich von Schiller
It is more than a nuisance. If you took all of the money spent on religious and monarchist extravagances here and applied it to building infrastructure, schools, etc. what would Thailand be like? Granted, if they money flowed into the current government system then a lot would be lost to corruption or 'pork barrel' in American English.
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"Yesterday, after the blood was washed away from in front of the Democrat Party headquarters, prayers were said in an attempt to ward off the impact of the curse."
So, enlighten us with some facts then. What kind of prayers were said?
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Glory be to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and to the Midgit, and to the Pirates. As it was in the beginning, is now (With a mountain), and ever shall be(and trees), world without end (and with Pirates). R'Amen.
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"Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." - Friedrich von Schiller
It could be some voodoo shit from Montenegro (this is were the scum bag is) and you know who phoned it into his supporters.
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Roaming the wild blue yonder
Its got very little to do with democracy. Its just about mob rule. Neither side has anything but lip service respect for the rule of law.
One side want their sub-set of venal self serving elite in power as it benefits them, the other side wants a slightly different sub-set for very similiar reasons. I dont see anything wrong with that, as such, but let's not pretend it is anything to do with democracy.
Its just one mob against another. An election will solve nothing, except perhaps cause enough chaos so one INDIVIDUAL can manuvere himself into a position grasp power again, along with whatever coterie of hanger ons he has cajoled and bribed to support his bid.
30% voted for the democrats
35% voted for whatever thaksin's party was called at the time
35% voted for whoever for parties that will sell themselves to the highest bidder.
Whats the crushing need for an election except as a cover for another round of power plays, back stabbing, intrigues, and money grubbing? How does thailand as a country benefit from it?
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Mystics recognize each other. Fundamentalists only see themselves.
you seem to be a little confused. first off, i don't think anyone, participants or otherwise, would class the type of rituals carried out as buddhist. they aren't. they belong more to the realm of spirit houses, amulets and sigils. nothing to do with buddhism.
secondly. 'elaborate religious ritual' can be anything a participant terms it to be. i could paint my head green and stand one-legged on a table whilst reciting parts of 'winnie the pooh'. if i want to call it genuine religious ritual then it is. participants decide.
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so one group, the larger one, vote in to power a leader that they want...in a democratic election. you think that's nothing to do with democracy? some very odd ideas floating around this event...
"don't be afraid, you're already dead." a.f.
I just hope nobody has plans for tomorrow..... later today. Should be fun to see what happens
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^^ I think you need to understand what democracy is about and how it differs from mob rule.
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Mystics recognize each other. Fundamentalists only see themselves.
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