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    This Just In: Thailand Corrupt!

    ...of course, no names, no faces are attached to such a heinous, nation-destroying practice...or maybe all names are: the answer, according to the article, is to innoculate children against the ways of their parents...good luck:

    Can Thai society ever be freed of corruption?
    By The Nation
    Published on June 28, 2011


    The problem of graft is so deep-rooted that we can only hope to eradicate it by educating kids from an early age
    When Thais go to the polls on July 3, they will need to keep in mind that the mega-projects promised by MP candidates tend to be prone to corruption. Candidates will do anything to grab votes, even if it means they have to squander the national coffers to finance ill-conceived, extravagant development schemes if they are re-elected.

    The truth is, public sector corruption is rampant, deep-rooted and chronic. It's the scourge of Thai politics. This happens because there are bribe-able politicians who have abandoned their principles for the sake of political expediency. Who is responsible for electing this dishonest lot? We are.

    As another election comes round, it's worrying how all the talk is about planning and funding grand projects, and less about fighting corruption and instilling a sense of anti-corruption in the national psyche. Right now the political landscape is beset by an erosion of ethical standards.

    What deserves our attention is that Thailand ranks seventh on an index of the most corrupt nations in Asia. According to the 2011 Corruption Index of 16 nations in the Asia-Pacific region surveyed by the Hong Kong-based Political & Economic Risk Consultancy (PERC), Cambodia is the most corrupt, followed by Indonesia, the Philippines, India, Vietnam, China, Thailand, South Korea and Malaysia. At the bottom are Hong Kong (15th) and Singapore (16th), the least corrupt in the region.

    The point is, we have never seen any Thai political party take the issue of corruption seriously enough to include it as an emergency issue that needs to be tackled head-on like other weighty issues. Instead, we hear them boasting about using a massive amount of taxpayers' money to fund mega-infrastructure projects (concentrated mostly in Bangkok), farmers' credit-card and rice subsidy schemes, a free-for-all national healthcare system, and increased salaries for teachers and other civil servants.

    While we don't know how many of these promises can be delivered or are financially viable, it's true that corruption is a serious impediment to the kingdom's economic improvement. Suvarnabhumi Airport is just one example of a national corruption scandal plagued with problems since its inception. How transparent will all these other promised projects be? Who will benefit from them?

    We don't know what sort of politicians will make it to Parliament after the July 3 election. What we know is that many of the hopefuls include businessmen, managers, former tycoons and technocrats. If the latest corruption survey by the Thai Chamber of Commerce University is anything to go by, then some of these aspiring lawmakers will be unprincipled, amoral, untrustworthy and deceitful.

    Findings show that, last year, 80 per cent of private sector companies that had business dealings with the government sector made under-the-table deals and bribed officials. About 71 per cent of the private companies surveyed knew how much and who they had to pay, while 29 per cent paid officials upon request.

    Last year's public-sector corruption totalled between Bt200 and 300 billion, or about 30 per cent of the value of the government's annual investment budget (around Bt600 billion). That's not all. The estimated graft value does not include another Bt20 billion in kickbacks that the general public had to pay to officials to smooth out red tape in sectors like import-export, customs and licensing.

    This explains why we're left with poorly built roads and airports, deficient public transport, more costly consumer goods, poorly paid teachers, a defective education system and double-dealing political leaders and public servants.

    With the election just around the corner, we need to ask candidates these questions. What are their principles? What values do they stand for? How will they fight corruption in real terms?

    The recent establishment of the Thai Anti-Corruption Network is a welcome effort. This independent regulatory body consists of 23 private organisations including the Stock Exchange of Thailand, the Thai Chamber of Commerce and the Federation of Thai Industries. The network aims to promote anti-corruption among children and monitor public sector corruption through its slogan, "The honest must be honoured, the corrupt must be condemned."

    Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said recently that in order to stamp out corruption, we need to change the culture of the Thai people and raise awareness of anti-corruption in every sector. He admitted that conflicts within the country are rooted in corruption at the national and provincial levels, and have developed into a national political crisis.

    We strongly believe that every politician, regardless of party affiliation, is prone to corruption. Children need to be taught that corruption cannot be tolerated in this society. The buyable and corruptible must be weeded out from politics and face prosecution.
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    Tl:dr

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    ... and how does this noble journalist suggest that this be done?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    ... and how does this noble journalist suggest that this be done?
    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    we can only hope to eradicate it by educating kids from an early age
    *sigh*

    ...remedial reading programs may help here...

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    Highly recommended for you - as you failed to grasp my simple point.

    Anyone can make great suggestions - the implementation is what matters. Considering they weren't able to push through an official second language recently, I don't see how they will make any headway in teaching kids that corruption is bad.

    So, how do they suggest it be done?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    Considering they weren't able to push through an official second language recently,
    Off topic, I know, but that isn't particularly important really. All street signs, etc, are already in English. Calling it the 'official' second language is like calling your dog your 'official' pet.
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    hey...hey..hey...watch the insults peeple...TPTB don't like reading reported threads and complaining private messages...

    ---Update---

    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    Can Thai society ever be freed of corruption?
    Short answer...no...unless Thai culture and society undergo such fundamental change as to render it unrecognizable...



    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    we have never seen any Thai political party take the issue of corruption seriously enough to include it as an emergency issue that needs to be tackled head-on
    Probably because they...unlike this journalist...understand just what a monumental task it is and the destruction of the beloved Thai culture it would require...

    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said recently that in order to stamp out corruption, we need to change the culture of the Thai people
    Exactly...therein lies the real root of the problem and imagine the reception of the candidate who promises to wipe out Thai culture...


    Wonderfully naive article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamBlake View Post
    Off topic, I know, but that isn't particularly important really. All street signs, etc, are already in English. Calling it the 'official' second language is like calling your dog your 'official' pet
    The original intention behind that was to provide a stronger push for English programs in school, by making English "official" and hopefully strengthening English education for the next generation (which, one could argue, would give them a significant advantage for their future).

    I think it's kind of ridiculous how well the current your generation in Cambodia communicates in English, and how far worse off the same generation in Thailand is.

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    ^And that has what to do with corruption in Thailand???as the topic title suggests...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    This Just In: Thailand Corrupt!
    Oh no! Please tell me it ain't so!
    Frederick Douglass: Find out just what any people will quietly submit to
    and you have found out the exact measure of injustice
    and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these
    will continue till they are resisted with either
    words or blows, or with both.

    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn;
    ďDonít believe them, donít fear them, donít ask
    anything of them.Ē

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    The original intention behind that was to provide a stronger push for English programs in school, by making English "official" and hopefully strengthening English education for the next generation (which, one could argue, would give them a significant advantage for their future).
    Yes, I know, and of course the official reason given (that having English as an official language may inadvertently suggest that Thailand had been colonised) is the most awe-inspiringly stupid statement ever to have seen the light of day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    I think it's kind of ridiculous how well the current your generation in Cambodia communicates in English, and how far worse off the same generation in Thailand is.
    Shows the comparative levels of poverty in the two countries, in my opinion. Thais feel they don't need it; Cambodians know they can't succeed without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiley View Post
    ^And that has what to do with corruption in Thailand???as the topic title suggests..
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    English Courses - Bangkok - British Council Thailand


    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamBlake View Post
    Yes, I know, and of course the official reason given (that having English as an official language may inadvertently suggest that Thailand had been colonised) is the most awe-inspiringly stupid statement ever to have seen the light of day.
    100% agree


    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamBlake View Post
    Shows the comparative levels of poverty in the two countries, in my opinion. Thais feel they don't need it; Cambodians know they can't succeed without it.
    Again, agreed.

    I really do wonder what it would take for Thais to realize that they need it - the problem is, in that case, the more insular nature of those Thais making those decision for the whole of the country.

    The best approach would be government subsidized English education, using a lot of very attractive Thai celebrities that communicate well in English.

    An inflammatory approach would be 'shame' commercials featuring Cambodians and Burmese actors that speak excellent English, shown competing with badly English speaking Thais. Of course, producing that kind of commercial will get you PNG status in about 10 seconds.

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    Abhisit is right about the culture change bit. The Thai culture card is currently pulled as a universal excuse to every ill in this nation.

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    ^ Yep.

    Would be interesting to re-shoot "Casablanca", re-cast in a Thai environment.

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    'khrap phom!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    .. and how does this noble journalist suggest that this be done?
    They don't even have a word in pasa Thai for "corrupt"

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