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    Forthright Analysis

    ...a good Sunday read from an excellent Post columnist:

    The ego has landed
    by Voranai Vanijaka BkkPost

    The government's 2.75 trillion baht infrastructure development plan unveiled on Oct 5 will, at best, have a mediocre effect on the development of Thailand. This is not a knock against the Pheu Thai regime. It would be mediocre with any of the previous governments in charge as well. We're not even factoring in corruption; instead we're factoring in an unyielding mindset.

    Likewise, the marriage between tablet computers and the Thai educational system will be a rocky one, with a laundry list of irreconcilable differences, for the same reason that Thai educational reform is much talked about, but always falls to pieces even before the reforming "groom" gets to place a wedding ring on the bride's hand.

    This is because the feudalistic cultural mentality is not conducive to national advancement. If we want to marry development with feudalism and beget the prodigal son or daughter of advancement, the mindset of Thai culture has to change.

    Last month, I was interviewed by a group of 10 students from a local university. They were writing research papers, and as their professor had used my articles as teaching material (something all schools should do, if I may immodestly propose), it was suggested that they interview me. The result was as education should be: I learned from them as they learned from me.

    Some of these students were previously in exchange programmes where they had the opportunity to study abroad. One interesting comment made by some was that their parents and schools arranged to send them to a Western country so that they could benefit from a Western education, but when they returned home and exhibited Western thinking and attitudes, their parents and schools reprimanded them for it.

    They insisted instead on putting the students back inside that little box called "Thainess", with emphasis on what is appropriate and proper, such as not questioning your elders, including your parents and teachers.

    One complained, "What's the point of sending us abroad if they don't like what we've learned?"

    No doubt, there are both good and bad things one can learn from living in the West. The bad things are better left behind before you board the plane home, but be thankful that you've experienced and learned from them. The good things you check in with your luggage and take to Thailand to help develop the country.

    The irony is that those who sent you over to learn are the ones who will try to prevent you from using the knowledge.

    The problem is with the mindset of parents and schools. This says students should go to learn the wonderful subjects of business and finance, art and design, management, law and whatever else, but flush cultural values such as individualism, rationalism, free thought and others down the toilet before the plane lands at Suvarnabhumi.

    Little do we realise that the Western education that leads to superior technology and industrial development, among other goodies, stems from the cultural values that we hold in disdain for the simple reason that they question authority and doubt faith.

    Little do we realise that the West would not be the most developed part of the world today (economic crises notwithstanding), if it had not gone through the ages of Reason and Enlightenment, in which feudalistic cultural traditions were questioned and turned upside down.

    So in Thailand we have international curriculums taught in English, and maybe even a few Western professors, but everything is run by the Thai bureaucracy, adhering to the strict and unyielding values of form over substance, ceremony over creativity, authority over individuality and rote learning over curiosity.

    The issue is much the same in the workplace, where the office culture adheres to a bureaucratic feudal mentality.

    Now take the mentality at place in the family, the school and the workplace and magnify it to the national level.

    We talk of building a creative economy and encouraging the arts, of taking Thai media and entertainment to the world stage, and taking Thai industries to the global level. But at the same time Big Brother is looking over our shoulders, saying no, banning and censoring left, right and centre.

    We live in a world of Google, Facebook, Twitter and YouTube, where knowledge and experiences from across the globe are available at our fingertips, but again with Big Brother looking over our shoulders.

    Since it was introduced in 1932, Thai democracy has been slow to develop because the feudalistic mindset is so unyielding. It expects us to learn from the world without adapting to the world. It expects us to memorise a Western textbook, but warns us against absorbing the culture and thinking that went into the textbook. It expects us to modernise with objects and tools, rather than with minds and souls.

    This is not to say that Western culture is inherently superior to our own, but that the fusing of cultures is indeed superior to a singular culture, boxed up and sealed tight. Western civilisation has dominated the world for the past 500 years for many reasons, one of which is its willingness and capacity to absorb knowledge from other cultures.

    We Thais are the ones who have kept the country from advancement, due to our refusal to open our minds to what the world has to offer, even if we so readily open our purses to superficial products and material culture.

    Thailand has benefited from relative stability over the past 60 years, unlike our neighbours. Yet today we are still on the far fringe of advancement, in danger of our neighbours passing us by, due to our unofficially, yet entrenched stance against absorbing the values of other cultures.

    Suvarnabhumi airport is but a huge material object. The skytrain and the underground are also but objects. The 3G spectrum is but a tool. Having those things doesn't mean the country will advance. It's like showing a painting to a blind person or playing music for the deaf. No offence to either, but in such a case it matters little how beautiful the painting or melodic the music.

    For Thailand to truly develop and advance, to create something that takes the world by storm, rather than make cheap copies, there needs to be a cultural enlightenment. This will only come through nurturing an environment of individualism, rationalism and free thought, as opposed to group-think, superstition and censored thought.

    Once such values are accepted, the doors are opened to many opportunities, not the least of which is true democratic development, as these values pertain to the concepts of freedom and human rights.

    This new environment will, of course, also encourage the young to question their elders, even talk back and argue, to perhaps become rebellious and even commit acts of foolishness as they search to find their own identities, as opposed to living up to the image their parents, schools and society expect of them.

    The consequences we so fear are the very things that will stimulate minds and open up the world, laying down the path for development, advancement and enlightenment _ those much ballyhooed goals that will never be achieved as long as we only allow pieces of paper conferring university degrees through airport customs, but refuse to admit the cultural learning, thinking and attitudes that go along with the paper.

    It doesn't take 2.75 trillion baht to bring change. We don't even need to give one single child a tablet computer. All we have to do is open our minds. It doesn't cost a satang, but it does require our cultural ego to be set aside.

    In theoretical terms this can be done easily enough. At the family level, parents have only to encourage the young to find their own paths. At the school level, teachers have only to accept questions, even ones that test their authority. At the national level, the guardians of traditions in the various agencies, bureaucracies and ministries have only to take a pill and chill, and let the world evolve.

    But, of course, in practical terms, none of this is easy because standing in the way is not tradition nor good sense, but good old, simple ego.

    As that one student asked, "What's the point of sending us abroad if they don't like what we've learned?"

    The answer is that they don't mind your learning, they just don't want you to think you know more than they do _ it undermines their authority. And how can they control you if they don't have authority?
    ...majestically enthroned amid the vulgar herd...

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    Replace "Thailand" with "China" or "Korea", and this article remains equally correct.

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    It was one of the best articles I have read in the BP, however, there is one issue - it is preaching to the choir. Being in the BP you will only be reaching (mostly) the foreigners, the Thais educated overseas and those who already have the international mindset.

    I do think that Voranai has an excellent point, why, oh why, would Thai parents spend millions in educating their children in the West, then, upon return, expect them to conform to Thai norms and Thai cultural repression. There are wonderful aspects of Thailand and Thai culture, there are positive aspects, it is why I enjoy living here, but there is also a dark side, epitomised by the lack of introspection and critical analysis of themselves and their position in the world. Thailand has created a cocoon for itself, from the Pridi and Phibun era there has been a deliberate and sustained effort to develop Thailand through nationalisation and introspection. This is the issue and this is one reason why modern Thailand is uncompetitive. Someone needs to get down to the Ministry of Culture (and hearty belly laughs) and tell them just one thing - you can keep your cultural traits without compromising development. The blanket 'Thainess' approach that has been instilled into every Thai since the Second World War is a hindrance. You can keep your culture alive without stifling your nation's growth - if you want to...

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    ...the Saudi government spends millions sending its grad students to the US...many leave with their wives who promptly get driver's licenses, go shopping and engage in mixed male/female socializing without hubby, and, in general, drink deeply of the freedoms they are denied at home...and what happens at Riyadh airport upon their return: they become infantilized chattel again and must resign themselves to lives of utter dependency...the west's values may not be universal, but they can be very addictive to many, like Thais, who come back to wallow in the same swamp they left...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    Forthright Analysis
    ...a good Sunday read from an excellent Post columnist:

    The ego has landed
    by Voranai Vanijaka BkkPost
    Spot on article from one who obviously knows the problems. Normally that would automatically suggest the solutions; but the feudalistic mentality has and will effectively defeat all attempts at change.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    So in Thailand we have international curriculums taught in English, and maybe even a few Western professors, but everything is run by the Thai bureaucracy, adhering to the strict and unyielding values of form over substance, ceremony over creativity, authority over individuality and rote learning over curiosity.
    Very well spoke; another spot on comment/observation.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    Since it was introduced in 1932, Thai democracy has been slow to develop because the feudalistic mindset is so unyielding.
    And there it is...
    Frederick Douglass: Find out just what any people will quietly submit to
    and you have found out the exact measure of injustice
    and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these
    will continue till they are resisted with either
    words or blows, or with both.

    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn;
    “Don’t believe them, don’t fear them, don’t ask
    anything of them.”

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    This article is in a nutshell the challenges we face trying to teach kids English. Trying to get kids to challenge their culture and look at the world in a different light is so bloody difficult. the message they get is conforming gets you ahead in life, challenging gets you nowhere.

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    ^Same for us falangs. It took me about 2 days in Thailand to figure that out. Don't rock the boat...Go along to get along...

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    Quote Originally Posted by peelieorion View Post
    Trying to get kids to challenge their culture and look at the world in a different light is so bloody difficult.
    unless you're teaching some kind of Social Studies class, your over playing your job. As an ESL teacher your #1 job is to help the students express themselves using English. If a foreigner came into my HS classroom and challenged my culture i would shutdown and not listen...maybe your students are doing the same.

    ---Update---

    also i'd say teaching a basic understanding of the culture(s) English is used in is important..ie manners and such. IMO anyway
    fred

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    ^Yes, but too much correction of Tinglish to English won't win you any brownie points. I've lost count of how many Thai ppl, when I tell them their English is incorrect have said, "I Thailand, I sapeak Thai style!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis View Post
    when I tell them their English is incorrect have said, "I Thailand, I sapeak Thai style!"
    That's really fucking sad. I remember some French students once said they kept their thick French accent because they thought English sounded silly and they wanted to keep their Frenchness, even when speaking English.

    It's pretty ridiculous when people are so indoctrinated with nationalism that it actually keeps them from performing a task. I know nationalism was instilled in young countries like Thailand to give them a sense of identity (cf Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and China), but here is where the short-sightedness of such an approach at controlling society really shines through.

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    I can think of one event that may lead to a change in Thai thinking...
    This is it... The apocalypse.

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    What would that be?

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    The fact I didnt (nor will) mention it is surely enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollow View Post
    The fact I didnt (nor will) mention it is surely enough
    ...you're going to pray away the gay?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis View Post
    too much correction of Tinglish to English won't win you any brownie points.
    i agree.too much correction de-motivates.
    Unless i'm teaching students who are actually dealing with NES or planning on going abroad i let it slide. Probably 90% will never leave ROK. If they say 'i have to eat my medicine' i figger they're using english and can be understood...thats good enuff.

    also english is global; so as well as Tinglish and Konglish and all the others, theres Amglish,Briglish,Ozglish.....neither is/are more betterer then the other.
    I hear Konglish words that get the point across better then the American counterpart.

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