I am a bit bothered IF I SHOULD IMPose on the students that they should stand up and formally say GOODBYE TEACHER...SEE YOU NEXT TIME...
IS this really important? Thai teachers are very strict on this - should I be also?
For me it is ok that they just sit and say their goodbyes in whatever form they want. This is one way for them to feel casual about me and my class.
SHOULD I IMPOSE OR just let them be?
i've told my older kids not to bother. it's unnatural and uncomfortable to me and they're nigh on adults so it's silly for them.
the younger ones, yeah, i go through the routine with them. it's dumb but i think routines are very important with younger/troublesome/bigger classes.
well if the school insists you do it, then do it. if they don't then it's up to you...SHOULD I IMPOSE OR just let them be?
"...ever wonder why they kill the weak ones, baby?"
I agree with Unwell. M5 onwards, just fucking say something pleasant, using your own brain and feelings.
M3 down, I own you...
I'm everywhere you've never been and better than I've ever been
Yeah, I only get that feeling with my M4 students. With my M1 and M2 - I always ask them to stand.
May be a mistake but I'm not into to the "class, please stand up, good morning teacher" routine. Or the class please stand up, etc...see you next time...
and that goes for M1-M6
It's pointless, mindless and just re-inforces some sort of military discipline that the Thais will eventually realize is an impediment to independant thought. It's mindless activity. It's mindless, serves no purpose other than to re-inforce the idea that they are part of some larger unit.
As soon as they stand up I just tell them to sit down and say "good morning everyone" The last thing I want to really hear from every single indivual's lips is "I am fine, and you?"
May be the thai way, but I ain't Thai. :smile:
I haven's been challenged on this and think it unlikely that I will be.
When being run out of town, get in front of the crowd and make it appear like a parade.
In you experience, how many Thais ever actually reach this realisation?It's pointless, mindless and just re-inforces some sort of military discipline that the Thais will eventually realize is an impediment to independant thought.
Excuse me for not taking this seriously .....
- 5%...Originally Posted by defender
The ones that live abroad... :smile:
The journey of a thousand miles starts with one small footstep....
I'm an optimist by nature.
I agree with russellsimpson. I don't care at the P6 level. I'm American and we don't do that kind of thing in America, so I am not comfortable with it. I have no problem if the students want to do it (some do), and I am not being critical of Thai practices; being an American I give them some exposure to American practices, which is not a bad thing (despite what some might think) .
...i don't go in for that bullshit...but i do expect them to be in their seats and ready when i come in...
"Goddamn it Lord, bless oh ye this bacon..."
George Liquor American
x5 every day . It gets old, sure, but I fine it's a good way to establish some level of attention. However, at my school routine and military style discipline are big (the school is connected to the Thai Navy) so I wouldn't think to try an change the tradition. The Thai teachers would really balk.Matthew: Listen to your leader, please!
Leader: Please stand up!
Students: Good morning/afternoon teacher!!!!!
M: Good morning/afternoon, class. How are you today?
Ss: I'm fine, thank you. And you????
M: I'm fine, thank you. Sit down, please.
Ss: Thank you, teacher!
"If you're not interested in changing where you work (and thus the student population, obviously) then a) your success at applying various and sundry teaching techniques is unlikely to have anything to do with how effective they are in general, and b) your sweeping generalizations about Thai students serve no purpose but to fuel your inertia and your feeling of being an 'insider'. Sadly (for you) few who read your sweeping generalizations will perceive it that way, but hey if it makes you feel good, knock yourself out." -zeusdogg
Both my govt. schools had 75 years or more of tradition, and for English classes, that intro was so standard, it was mandatory.
The finale, however, turned out to be less mandatory. Usually I just pointed to the class leader and said "Okay, we're finished now." Today, I might say, "Set lao." Besides, the finale is shorter.
Civilians in Thailand are far more militaristic sometimes, than the United States Air Force was in the 1960's.
If I ask my kids how they're doing and they say fine, I pull out my whiteboard marker and mark their hand. I make sure they know plenty of other expressions of how they're feeling, and the memorized "fine" just irks me. I also don't go in for the monotone greetings and goodbyes, I think it just reinforces the tuning out and tuning off that seems so inherent in kids, well, anyone, but I'm here to teach these ones, so I care about them being mindless drones or being thinking beings.
Last year I dropped the greeting and goodbye routine and the discipline went out of the window. They took longer to settle into the class and left ina rabble . I agree with matthew, it gets their attention and they settle down alot faster without having to raise my voice. I will not do the same thing this year.
I suppose it depends at which level you're teaching. Enjoy, I am presuming you are teaching at a pre-Matayon level.
It sould never really be about control. In my mind that's for the military. I don't care if the students fuck around in the class before the lesson starts, so what. It's their time, as long as their behaviour is reasonable, no problem.
When the lesson ends they can parachute out the window if they feel so inclined.
I have met teachers who insist that students line up before leaving class.
Naw, it's about respect, not control. If the students respect you you will never need to employ rigid disciplinary measure. If you do, you'll never really know how they feel about you. Let's make the classroom a natural environment, not some pre-military training encounter.
It just ain't about a battle for "control". :smile: