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    Mathayom 6 Students: Young adults or children?

    Since November 1 I have been teaching Mathayom 6 students at a government high school in the Samut Prakan area. I have seven different classes each of which I teach one hour a week. When I began in November I had never taught Mathayom 6 students before. I assumed that the students would be more mature than their underclassmen, and also more motivated to learn, because after all, aren't most of them thinking about going to college?
    Over the last month to my dismay I have found out that only one of my classes is worth a grain of salt. Most of my students skip class or are late to class. I'm under the impression that they come to class because they expect me, the farang, to entertain them. I have been trying to teach them through dialogues and pattern drills leading to free conversation, but it has been like trying to pull teeth. I haven't played games with them or taught them songs because I thought probably incorrectly that they were young adults and past the stage of 4-6th graders. Just yesterday the head teacher mentioned to me that student surveys indicated that my classes were too hard and putting too much pressure on the students. The students wanted games and songs instead.
    Is this the norm for all Mathayom 6 students in the Land of Smiles? I would hope that more serious learning is going on in private schools. If the school administration agrees that Mathayom 6 students should be singing and playing games, it tells me that Thais consider their 17-18 year olds to be like young children and not like young adults. Perhaps this is why there are still classroom discipline problems with Mathayom 6 students. When I was in high school and acting like a young child, adults would tell me to "grow up". Thais, evidently, don't expect their 17-18 year olds to grow up.

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    Re: Mathayom 6 Students: Young adults or children?

    They're both. Childhood actually gets extended here. And every class likes to play games and have fun. M6 as a lecture class doesn't work.

    But they DO have responsibilities regarding uni. With my M6's, I've found that it focuses WHAT they are motivated to learn.

    Most positive response I've had was on interviewing. A couple of lessons on the interviewing process, homework that included taking a pseudo-Myers Briggs assessment online, and then an in-depth interview (their choice of job or uni-admission).

    Lost about a week's worth of lunches, as they would line up in the cafeteria to get their shot, and sit around listening to everyone else's. Even the one's that, in class, couldn't respond to "How are you doing?" without "Alai wa?" were suddenly able to carry on a 20 minute, mature discussion in English.
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    Re: Mathayom 6 Students: Young adults or children?

    I teach uni students who skive, come late and generally behave like 5 year olds (and not just in my class, I might add).

    The educational culture seems designed to keep young people in a juvenile mindset (uni students wearing uniforms? Having their nails inspected before entering the hall for graduation ceremonies? For feck's sake!).

    I think it's the hierarchical thing - I try to get my Ss to just call me by my first name (not teacher) and tell 'em they can dispense with that one student calling out "Please stand" shit at the end of the lesson.

    So many seem to want everything on a plate and have no sense of personal responsibilty (Ss this sermester have asked me if it will be "easy" to get an A grade for the elective course I am teaching. That's right kids, should be easy to get an A grade. You shouldn't have to come on time, make an effort, give a shit or any of that other mai sanuk stuff

    If that's what 21 year olds are like then I cannot begin to imagine how it must be trying to engage on anything like an adult level with P6s.

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    Re: Mathayom 6 Students: Young adults or children?

    I treat all my Mathayoms as young adults

    of course the M1s Rn't used 2 that,,,,real kids

    it takes a while 4 'em 2 pick up onnit

    then it goes well,,,, works 4 me

    I always notice,,,start of M3 year,,,,they'r all much taller

    they seem 2 shoot up in height,,, all at once

    defo young adults then

    but Thais hav got a very strong sense of fun

    not a bad thing,,,,,, IMHO

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    Re: Mathayom 6 Students: Young adults or children?

    Quote Originally Posted by prkuehn
    I assumed that the students would be more mature than their underclassmen, and also more motivated to learn, because after all, aren't most of them thinking about going to college?
    Having taught Mathayom 5 and attended postgraduate college here, I can comment that the students never really develop the intrinsic desire to learn for leaning's sake. Even the PhD students don't seem to read
    outside of the required reading for the courses.

    Responsibility is never given to the learners, so they never have the opportunity to take it.

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    Re: Mathayom 6 Students: Young adults or children?

    kids for me are what they're moulded to be. If the school adopts the mai pen rai approacch to education, its not suprising kids skive off. With 7 classes for an hour each, does the school really think anyone is going to learn much English. my 6 year olds have amazing behaviour because they're previous teachers set high standards and as a school we follow the same system consistently. The M1 at our school are amazingly mature and are taught like young adults and spoken too as such. they take part in decisions about the school and have a small budget that they can decide what to spend on the school. Its the little things in most schools in Thailand that don't happen and breed a whole load of immature students. When their are zero consequences of failing and cheating exams, low expectations of learning and behaviour, kids don't give a stuff.

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    Re: Mathayom 6 Students: Young adults or children?

    Quote Originally Posted by peelieorion
    When their are zero consequences of failing and cheating exams, low expectations of learning and behaviour, kids don't give a stuff.
    That's the key issue there peelie. Without meaningful consequences, why would children want to undergo difficult learning?

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