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Old 27th August 2008, 16:56   #1 (permalink)
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Re: Placement of a coma can sensationalize a statement?

Or, with the case of the panda. A panda goes into a restaurant. There he eats, shoots, and leaves. That is one upset panda!

On the other hand, the friendly panda eats shoots and leaves.
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Old 27th August 2008, 17:38   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Placement of a coma can sensationalize a statement?

I don't get what's sensational about it. Surely the second one is just wrong?
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Old 27th August 2008, 18:03   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Placement of a coma can sensationalize a statement?

Yes, wrong.
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He happily, ate his lunch, had a glass of milk, went out to play.
It makes no sense, since the adverb "happily" is left without a verb to modify. The same principle applies in the first example.
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Re: Placement of a coma can sensationalize a statement?

If you're placed in a coma, why would you even care? More importantly, how could you care?
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Re: Placement of a coma can sensationalize a statement?

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Yes, wrong.

It makes no sense, since the adverb "happily" is left without a verb to modify. The same principle applies in the first example.
Asper an adverb does not need to modify a verb, it can modify other parts of speech as well. in the case quoted "He happily, ate his lunch, had a glass of milk, went out to play." could just as easily be modifying the pronoun 'he' it would be far more correct to say 'Happily he ate his lunch...' but as it stands it is correct as well.
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Re: Placement of a coma can sensationalize a statement?

If I am in a coma, please don' t send me to the place were Magnum P.I. went in the movie.

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Re: Placement of a coma can sensationalize a statement?

I would use what ever to get the readers attention ....Sometime i wish i could write a hand to come out of the page to bitch slap the person.
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Re: Placement of a coma can sensationalize a statement?

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Asper an adverb does not need to modify a verb, it can modify other parts of speech as well. in the case quoted "He happily, ate his lunch, had a glass of milk, went out to play." could just as easily be modifying the pronoun 'he' it would be far more correct to say 'Happily he ate his lunch...' but as it stands it is correct as well.
No... it isn't. I'm no expert on this, but I *think* in the case you're trying to put forward, where "happily" has the same meaning as "fortunately", then "happily" is modifying the fact that he ate his lunch, etc., not just the word "he". At any rate I'm sure you'd have to add another comma. "He, happily, ate his lunch, etc." and then it sounds terribly awkward.

Plus, all of that has nothing to do with jd's original sentence.
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Re: Placement of a coma can sensationalize a statement?

However kid's point remains: an adverb certainly does NOT have to modify a verb, chai bah?

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Re: Placement of a coma can sensationalize a statement?

actually, you can never have just one comma between a subject and verb, if I remember correctly.

so, either

He happily ate his lunch, had a glass of milk and went out to play.

or

Happily, he ate his lunch, had a glass of milk and went out to play.
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Re: Placement of a coma can sensationalize a statement?

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However kid's point remains: an adverb certainly does NOT have to modify a verb, chai bah?

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Went to that link you provided and I disagree with its example of an adverb modifying an adjective as in:

He drove a very fast car.

In this case the word "very" is not an adverb - it's part of the adjective! Adverbs modify verbs -- that's all! "Very" is not describing how fast he drove the car -- it's describing the capability of the car to run pretty damn fast.

"The car ran very quickly"

Now that's an example of an adverbial phrase -- "very quickly". Notice the "ly" at the end of 'quick' it helps determine that it's an adverb, although not all adverbs necessarily end with "ly", and not all words ending in "ly" are adverbs.

"He drove, very fast, the car"

This sentence doesn't seem very well constructed. I mean seriously, it sounds like someone in a drunken conversation, adding details here and there...

So when you say "Adverbs don't necessarily need to modify a verb", in formal english, can one give an example of this? Because I sure can't think of one. Note also that although adjectives appear just before the noun they modify, adverbs can appear before the verb, after the verb or elsewhere in the sentence. Strange buggers they are!
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He drove a very fast car.
not sure about that, I think "very" is describing "fast" not "car", thus an adverb modifying an adjective

very quickly: an adverb describing an adverb, I think

adverbs can hang around all sorts of types verbs, adverbs and adjectives

though, you're right, they don't modify nouns and pronouns
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Re: Placement of a coma can sensationalize a statement?

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not sure about that, I think "very" is describing "fast" not "car",
Right. I modified my post to now say it's implying how fast the car is capable of going


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Although I wouldn't consider it an adverb. In my second example, "very quickly", yes. Otherwise the word 'very' is just a simple intensifier, part of the full adjective "very fast" (are we allowed to call it an adjective phrase??)


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Yep, but again I wouldn't call it an adverb by itself, rather an 'intensifier' that modifies an adverb, or, part of an adverbial phrase.

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Well, if you consider 'very' an adverb, one could probably easily say that. I know I would, but looking at it again -- very is only part of the whole adverb... it's not an adverb by itself, but rather, an intensifier. So I wouldn't say that this is an adverb modifying and adverb. It's an intensifier modifying an adverb. I'd still say adverbs only modify verbs.

"She carefully, sneakily crept into the room." -- carefully and sneakily modify the way she crept into the room.

"She carefully and sneakily crept into the room." -- same thing.

So I'm still wondering if anyone can give an example of an adverb modifying another adverb or adjective??

How about:

"She incompetently stupidly got caught?"

Is this even a well-formed sentence? Can't we just say "She incompetently got caught" and "She stupidly got caught", making those still individual adverbs on their own? Or is 'incompetently' acting as an intensifier to 'stupidly', thus effectively being an adverb modifying and adverb... but then again, this sentence sounds weird.
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