Lizara

Jonny... I have my hands full with 22 P1 students at a time. If I had your job I'd have quit within a month. I really don't know how you do it.

zehner

shouting over a noisy class doesn't make for a great teaching/learning experience and if i find myself doing it i stop the class and make them understand that it isn't acceptable.

i feel for ya jd teaching 6 year olds....most of mine are in the 11-15 bracket and my classes are generally small. you need eyes in the back of your head too...gotta be able to see the kid who doodling or daydreaming and call out their name to bring them back to planet english class.

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Lizara

yeah, I agree it's not ideal, but zehner, try making a bunch of P1 students understand that nothing's going to happen until they're quiet. They seem to take it as, "Oh, good, that big weird guy/girl has stopped bothering us about speaking English. We can finally get on with our conversations about Doraemon without being interrupted." I've got mine to the point where I can stop them, get them quiet, and continue most of the time. I have a feeling that if Jonny waited for his classes of 45 or whatever to be perfectly quiet, he'd be there all day and nothing would get done. Sometimes it's best to move on and give them something else to distract them.

zehner

as i said i don't teach the babies. still....there's no reason a teacher should have to lose his/her voice in a class. they'll get the message eventually if you persevere

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Radical Energy

I've seen quite a few Thai Teachers shout at and verbally abuse students. I've also seen them use physical abuse quite a few times and most of it is a beating upside the head or with a blunt object such as a ruler.

It makes me very uncomfortable to see/hear that, but what can I do? Confront them and cause them to lose face? I don't think so.

Cream

I taught classes of 40 - 60 M1 and M6 students for a year, they were in a government school and I found that being harsh on those that misbehave and praising the good behaviour always worked. I never had to shout over a class and I never will, it comes down to being able to manage your class, if you are having to shout OVER students, you are doing something wrong IMO.

Now I work in an inter school, so my job is easier and harder at the same time

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martyboy

No Zehna, I meant I agreed with the last few above my post. I am sure the idea of vanquishing a kidy into the hot tropical sun was said tongue in cheek. What are the discipline procedures at your school?

kikiat

agreed, you can wait and wait until everyone is quiet, then when they finally catch on that you're waiting for them to shut the f*ck up and you start explaining stuff or god forbid turn your back for a second (literally, a second) people start talking again.

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zehner

kids are kept on a very tight leash discipline wise. if they step out of line they are given severe bollockings by their homeroom teachers.....doesn't happen very often though.



that's why you need to be on their case the whole time. it isn't easy building up a class management program but when it does work it will make all the hard work involved very worthwhile

i don't think so. some "teachers" here seem to buy into medieval teaching practices...

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Lizara

zehner, when your school's homeroom teachers give the kids a "bollocking", do they also hit them?

Cream

As a homeroom teacher I simply deprive them of the things they enjoy, don't do your work? Do it during the subjects you enjoy! They soon learn, made a few of them cry but everyone of them has said sorry to me.

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Lor Ling

Ditto for government university

If my kid went to school here, and any teacher did that, that teacher would very soon be feeling my fist slamming into his / her face.

Hope the Chinese don't turn out to be child beaters, but it wouldn't entirely surprise me.

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zehner

nope. hitting kids isn't allowed.

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peelieorion

You can and should wait for everyone to be quiet. If 2 people are talking thats too who when it comes to doing anything haven't got a clue what to do. what do they then do, they disrupt your class or copy others and disrupt their learning.

Its not enough just to occupy kids, you have to train them to listen first to you and then each others. Kids at my school shout and scream in Thai classes and even at the principal but in my class they talk in normal voices. I don't start if any kid is talking because later the problems start. In classes of 60 i'm the same. Start off training young kids with fun activities. Stick your fun activity on the board and wait. Shouting over kids is futile and leads to stress, illness and the whats the point attitude.

Dickheads who can't work it out get kicked out. Kids who don't want to do their work at the bare minumum are going to sit down and not speak when I am. then they can stay. 2 warnings and you're out. Consistency is the key. If I wanted to be driven insane I'd go back home and teach again.