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    Teaching style... feeling a bit down...

    Hi, I was wondering if I could get some sage advice from people who have been TEFL teachers for a lot longer than me.

    I have been a teacher now for around 10 months in total. I was in Korea before working in a private academy for 4 months (before it went bust!), then I decided to give Thailand a chance. In Korea, the atmosphere was studious but we still had some fun. We used English textbooks, we taught in a classroom with desks and the kids were not allowed to speak their native language in the lesson. The job was also very creative. We had a lot of licence to use our own ideas in class, as long as the kids learned what they needed to and they could speak and write English better as a result. I like to think I made the presentations in class as fun as possible, and I would allow the kids to play games at the end of class if they had been good and studied well. This seemed to just 'work', and I was popular with the vast majority of the kids as a result. The kids also, on the whole, showed an improvement in their standard of English.

    Nowadays though, in Thailand, I am finding teaching difficult. The company I work for here has a philosophy of making English fun, and as a result you are required to play a lot of games (K1 - P6) and sing a lot of songs with the younger kids (mainly Ks). There is not a lot of flexibilty in the job... there is a set of books with pre-planned lessons to use as guides, and you are expected to follow a certain framework when you are planning each lesson. Also, there are always two teachers in the classroom... the native speaking teacher, and a Thai teacher to translate instructions and share the disciplinary burden (which of course means that the students' native language is being spoken in class a lot).

    I am writing this as I have just come back from school having received a savaging from my boss after being observed teaching a K3 lesson. I didn't sing enough songs, my teams were messed up for my games and my presentation of the language didn't go down well. Despite this, most of the students understood the language I taught them, and the majority could actually produce the language they had been taught before they left the classroom. The thing that agitates me about this company is that their framework and their philosophy seem to be more important than the kids actually learning what is being taught to them. I have also received good feedback in this job before, so it isn't that I can't do it. But I do feel right now as if my heart isn't in this style of teaching. I know this has been really long-winded, but what I'd like to ask is:

    Is it normal to struggle with a certain method of teaching? is it just about finding the right style/ teaching environment for you?

    Does it make me a bad teacher if I find it difficult to adapt like I have?

    At the moment I feel like I'm basically just a monkey in the classroom, and I'm being told I'm not even good at being a monkey!

    Any advice would be appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by keegohng View Post
    I didn't sing enough songs, my teams were messed up for my games and my presentation of the language didn't go down well
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    Is it normal to struggle with a certain method of teaching? is it just about finding the right style/ teaching environment for you?
    May not be worth a hell of a lot but I'll offer what I can.

    Every teacher finds a style that they are comfortable with if they stay with it for awhile.

    And it is about finding you're own comfortable style and environment.

    Just off hand I would say your current job doesn't meet the environmental criteria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keegohng View Post
    I feel like I'm basically just a monkey in the classroom
    welcome to teaching in thailand!

    so, your observer had problems with your observed class? you need to sit down with them and find out how you can improve your performance. not enough for them to tell you that you're shit. they need to help you. that is their job.

    i've never had a thai co-teacher, and i wouldn't do a job where i had to have one. think it sucks for just about every reason.

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    I'm basically just a monkey in the classroom
    basically true

    I'm being told I'm not even good at being a monkey
    well, they call tell you whatever they want, BUT u should know whether you're a good monkey or not

    ps don't fight it , embrace it . you're in thailand now, not Korea
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibark View Post
    Find a new job that involves teaching and not edutainment.
    Exactly. And tell your next recruiter and prospective school that you are not interested in edutainment. That's not to say that songs aren't a potentially great way of learning a language, but the moment the burden falls on you to be 'fun' you're screwed.

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    What you are doing is not a method of teaching, It is a glorified clown. Don't dance the tune of a dickhead boss for any price. Get out and find a real job where you'll be appreciated otherwise you'll start believing you're the one with the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keegohng View Post
    Any advice would be appreciated
    It's been said already, but I'll say it again: Get Out Now! If you stay, you will continue to grow more cynical about teaching, and it could end up killing any passion you may have for the profession. I would be checking job listings every day and going to as many interviews as humanly possible If I were in your shoes. I've been in a similar situation myself; it's far more rewarding to have a job where you don't go home feeling frustrated every night.
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    i don't get a lot of your problems here guys...bit confused.

    they want him to play games and sing songs. sounds fairly reasonable when working with really young kids, no?

    he screwed up his observation which he admits. he needs to learn from that, no?


    you'll find no greater advocate of the 'tefling in thailand is about being a dancing white monkey' than me but, apart from not helping this guy, doesn't necessarily seem the case in this instance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by keegohng View Post

    Nowadays though, in Thailand, I am finding teaching difficult. The company I work for here has a philosophy of making English fun, and as a result you are required to play a lot of games (K1 - P6) and sing a lot of songs with the younger kids (mainly Ks). There is not a lot of flexibilty in the job... there is a set of books with pre-planned lessons to use as guides, and you are expected to follow a certain framework when you are planning each lesson. Also, there are always two teachers in the classroom... the native speaking teacher, and a Thai teacher to translate instructions and share the disciplinary burden (which of course means that the students' native language is being spoken in class a lot). I am writing this as I have just come back from school having received a savaging from my boss after being observed teaching a K3 lesson. I didn't sing enough songs, my teams were messed up for my games and my presentation of the language didn't go down well. Despite this, most of the students understood the language I taught them, and the majority could actually produce the language they had been taught before they left the classroom. The thing that agitates me about this company is that their framework and their philosophy seem to be more important than the kids actually learning what is being taught to them. I have also received good feedback in this job before, so it isn't that I can't do it. But I do feel right now as if my heart isn't in this style of teaching. I know this has been really long-winded, but what I'd like to ask is: Is it normal to struggle with a certain method of teaching? is it just about finding the right style/ teaching environment for you? Does it make me a bad teacher if I find it difficult to adapt like I have? At the moment I feel like I'm basically just a monkey in the classroom, and I'm being told I'm not even good at being a monkey! Any advice would be appreciated
    A very interesting post. I'll preface my response by saying I've never taught in Thailand. I'm a retired American teacher (13 years) and administrator (20 years).

    A part of the administrator in me wants to say that you signed a contract that in return for the company paying you money, you would teach "their way". I know that it may not say exactly that in the contract...but trust me...this is a contractual issue.

    The other part of the administrator in me also wants to say -- they may very well be all wrong in their philosophy and you may be all right in yours (although I note you haven't been teaching for long)...but it's still their school.

    I've been in your situation as both a teacher and as an administrator. I've never been "savaged" by a boss, but I have been critiqued in ways that were disconcerting...not often...and sometimes the points were valid...and sometimes not valid. I transferred out of one school that wasn't a good fit for me. Other times I just swallowed hard and did what I was paid to do. I'm not even sure it's that different in many other professions and jobs.

    My only advice is to try to find a place that is a reasonably good fit for you, keeping in mind that no place is likely to be perfect. Meanwhile, try not to damage your credentials, because that will affect your job opportunities in the future.

    One final thought. There is only one thing worse than an evaluator who misjudges your performance. Yourself when you misjudge your performance. The truth about how good a teacher you are, may be somewhere in between.

    I really do wish you the best of luck and I admire you for agonizing over the issue. It's a good sign that basically you are a good teacher...or at least a "thoughtful" one (alternative definition of thoughtful).

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    I have been teaching in Thailand for more than a year, I teach conversation to Nursery - K3, and I heartily disagree with some of the posts. I would say 90% of my class is taught using songs, games and stories, and not only can K2 speak in full sentences, but everyone participates in one or the other activities.

    An example last summer I taught the summer program for K3-G1 and they learned Go Fish. The cards had animals and numbers, by the 3rd game they were using proper sentence structure "Do you have 3 red birds? not "have birds red 3?", for me that is HUGE.....as I am Hispanic I also threw in Spanish, I would answer "Vaya pescar", by the end of the summer the kids could play the game in Thai, English and Spanish.

    I consider myself a real teacher who accomplishes goals and adds value, I am not a teacher in a monkey suit and I do not think learning has to be boring. It allows me to be creative, to actually reach all of my students and feel good when I leave at the end of the day.
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