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    Realistic earning potential for non native speakers?

    Hi all, I was just wondering what would be the realistic monthly earnings for a non native with a degree and a TEFL? Sorry if this topic was already covered but I couldn't find anything...

    I do not have any teaching experience tho...

    Thanks for the answers folks
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    It baffles me that non-natives aspire to teach English as a foreign language. Think about it this way, if a native speaker without a degree or a certificate applied for the same job, it would be a coin toss. Just my two cents.


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    He has a degree and a certificate. Why would it be a coin toss? That non native degree is probably worth more than a doctorate from your magistrate of chopstick studies.

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    I'm gonna get a bit more than 30 k after the end of probation. Free school lunches and reimbursement of the B-Visa and WP.
    How good is your English? Do you have a degree from an English university? What about your accent?

    Have you had any interviews yet? If so, how did they go? Got any feedback from schools which chose not to hire you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylerp123 View Post
    It baffles me that non-natives aspire to teach English as a foreign language.
    Not many other teaching jobs out there to choose from maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the moo View Post
    Hi all, I was just wondering what would be the realistic monthly earnings for a non native with a degree and a TEFL?
    28-35k.
    Quote Originally Posted by tylerp123 View Post
    It baffles me that non-natives aspire to teach English as a foreign language.
    the idea that TESOL is somehow reserved for NES is absurd and shows a serious lack of understanding in relation to the job requirements.
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    Think about it this way, if a native speaker without a degree or a certificate applied for the same job, it would be a coin toss.
    not to any decent employer with a brain for human resources.
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    Just my two cents.
    which are worth less than that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris88 View Post
    Do you have a degree from an English university?
    why would it have to be from england?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crew View Post
    why would it have to be from england?
    Yea....I'm sure degrees from australia, canada or america are just as good....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris88 View Post
    How good is your English?

    I tend to believe that my english quite good for a french man


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    Do you have a degree from an English university
    No, it's a business degree that I got from a pretty reputable university in Paris


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    What about your accent?
    Quite good as I spent 5 and half year working and living in Australia and I picked up the australian accent

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    Have you had any interviews yet?
    I'm not in Thailand yet so no

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    I'm gonna get a bit more than 30 k after the end of probation. Free school lunches and reimbursement of the B-Visa and WP.
    Are you a non native ?

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    the idea that TESOL is somehow reserved for NES is absurd and shows a serious lack of understanding in relation to the job requirements.
    Well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylerp123 View Post
    It baffles me that non-natives aspire to teach English as a foreign language. Think about it this way, if a native speaker without a degree or a certificate applied for the same job, it would be a coin toss. Just my two cents.

    It baffles me how narrow minded this quote is. I don't like to stereotype, but in this case I have to say; How american of you. Having lived and went to school in america as a non-native speaker and seeing how poor your educational system is (this is whats really baffling) a non-native speaker with a degree from europe could easily blow any "native american speaker" out of the water.

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    Teach French. Most large Thai schools have French classes. I've hired two French teachers in the past. same salary as the English teachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluezo View Post
    Teach French. Most large Thai schools have French classes. I've hired two French teachers in the past. same salary as the English teachers.
    That's interesting... I didn't have any info on french teaching in Thailand
    When you say I've hired... What is it that you actually do? Are you a recruiter? or a School Director?

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    Quote Originally Posted by livly View Post
    a non-native speaker with a degree from europe could easily blow any "native american speaker" out of the water.
    Maybe . . .


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    Quote Originally Posted by the moo View Post
    What is it that you actually do? Are you a recruiter? or a School Director?
    In another life.

    Come to think of it, you have a marketable skill! You speak French and English. Foreign language depts love that. I'd work that angle to your benefit. Let them know that you're willing and able to teach either. Or both. Perfect.

    Where do you want to teach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the moo View Post
    Are you a non native ?
    Affirmative!

    BTW, there is something funny about some colleagues from South Africa. English for those is a second language, too.
    Saw that on a transcript.

    It may boil down to you getting an interview. Only 1 out of maybe 15 jobs responded to my application. I would recommend you call ahead and have a chat with the Head of Department before you submit an application. That way they already have an idea of how you speak... When I did that, the ratio improved to 1:4.

    You should be here in Thailand and willing to come right away for an interview. (The owner of an agency shared tales of woe with me, where he had paid for flights and there were no call / no shows and him waiting at the airport...)

    Good luck!

    Mel

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    Most people like to learn languages from native speakers. Sorry if that's the harsh truth. No need to attack me. I don't recall ever wanting to learn spanish from a Russian, but I am sure some Russians teach spanish and teach it well. But even if they do, they aren't NATIVE, they didn't grow up in an English speaking country, and people learning English aren't learning it to go live in France. Like I said, it's just my opinion. Relax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluezo View Post
    Teach French. Most large Thai schools have French classes. I've hired two French teachers in the past. same salary as the English teachers.
    Good idea.

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