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    Newb here.

    Hello All,
    I'm a newbie to this forum. I'm an attorney considering going abroad for a year to do volunteer work with a non-governmental organization in Thailand. Since it is an NGO, I expect that I will need some type of side-work for spending money. Unfortunately, I don't have CELTA or TEFL certification. Moreover, I'm Asian-American and Female (a few threads indicated that I will probably be discriminated against). The upside is that I have a Bachelors degree in English, Jurisdoctorate and (assuming this makes a difference) a license to practice law in the US. I noticed that "JD" was not an option in the resume section of the main ajarn website. Would my JD be considered a "Masters"? What are my prospects at getting part-time work? Should I just get a TEFL certification to be safe? There are no CELTA courses available that are close to me.

    Thanks

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    Just out of curiosity--why would you give your labor for free to an NGO?

    I recently met some managers of an NGO at the UN (here in NYC) who wanted me to work for free. Meanwhile, of course, they were making 6 figure salaries. I cannot fathom why any young person would go along with this kind of pyramid scheme.

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    Well, it isn't completely without compensation. I believe they are offering a "living stipend, lodging and airfare." Since it is an NGO, I want to play it safe by assuming that a "living stipend" means enough baht for three meals. Clearly, I would like some extra money on the side to travel and hang out.

    As far as the organization is concerned, I'm not aware of any managers at this organization making 6 figures. It is not a large organization. I've done some research on them and their work over the past few years. From what I have gathered, their work in Thailand has produced results and I want to be a part of that.

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    Sounds good--godspeed to you!

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    Thanks! Now if only I can get some answers...

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    Surely your trickiest problem is going to be finding part-time work to slot into the gaps you have available when not doing your NGO work. Therefore you are of limited appeal to those schools needing someone to commit to a regular work timetable. You are looking for 'a few hours here and a few hours there right?' And more often than not that kind of work will be with lower level language schools. And they won't care about TEFL certificates, etc - they just need someone with a pulse.
    The worst job in Thailand must be the man who has to sit down with a blue marker pen and mark a number two on the two-baht coins to stop people thinking they are one-baht coins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdesq View Post
    I'm a lawyer and I want to travel to Thailand
    to become a part-time lawbreaker. Isn't there an oxymoron in there somewhere?
    Your degree means you can find work as a teacher.
    Your JD is meaningless (insofar as entry level EFL goes).
    You are NOT "Asian-American" you are AMERICAN (says so in your passport).

    Can you get part-time work = yes.
    Would it be legal = no.
    Is it commonly done = yes.
    Would it pay much = not unless you are in BKK. Part-time work out in the provinces (that will also likely conflict with your "other job") will probably also only pay 200-300 baht per class hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdesq View Post
    I'm Asian-American and Female (a few threads indicated that I will probably be discriminated against).
    I'm not sure.

    You're female, that will help imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttompatz View Post
    You are NOT "Asian-American" you are AMERICAN (says so in your passport).
    Bet your passport doesn't say what you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttompatz View Post
    Would it be legal = no.
    I guess I was under the mistaken assumption that there was a way for me to do it legally. Clearly, I have more research to do.

    Thank you for your responses!

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    No amount of research will make any kind of work that is not the job specified in your work permit legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdesq View Post
    The upside is that I have a Bachelors degree in English, Jurisdoctorate and (assuming this makes a difference) a license to practice law in the US. I noticed that "JD" was not an option in the resume section of the main ajarn website. Would my JD be considered a "Masters"? What are my prospects at getting part-time work? Should I just get a TEFL certification to be safe? There are no CELTA courses available that are close to me.
    You have a degree.

    I'm not sure that the JD would qualify as a Masters degree. You could probably argue that.

    It's going to depend on the type of visa you enter on.

    If the visa can't be transferred to a Non-B, then you probably couldn't work "on the side", legally.

    The other thing is that you are a lawyer. The last thing you need is taking a chance of being arrested for a violation.

    I'm not trying to discourage you but perhaps your "work on the side" idea could use a bit of a re-think.

    That's just my two cents.

    Good luck to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by manned-rake View Post
    No amount of research will make any kind of work that is not the job specified in your work permit legal.
    Do you know this for certain? I've looked at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs website and regardless of whether I teach or not, I"ll need to obtain a Non-Imm visa as well as a Work Permit anyway. I assumed (incorrectly?) that with a Non-Imm and work permit, I would be able to partake in part-time teaching. Logically, what you're saying makes sense but I haven't found anything that specifically states it. I would obviously benefit from a loophole

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    Like work permits in most countries around the world, your Thai work permit is tied to one job.

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    Ah, you're right. No loopholes for me. Found what I needed. Thanks!

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