Thread: Republican Nominee for President 2008

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

I'm pretty sure my bigot cousin will either vote for McCain or not vote at all if his only other choice is Obama.

If I were voting it would be Ron Paul, but since there's not paper ballots with an accountable tallying system(old school method with real people counting) I won't be voting.

But I've said elsewhere that out of all the so-called viable candidates left, I'd prefer to have to endure Obama for 4/8 years.

^you mean you 'misunderestimated' me?

Sum bitch, the 3 of us might agree on 1 thing.

Haven't read the whole thread and don't intend to. I'm a lefty, of sorts, but John McCain I fond interesting. He seems to be relatively bullshit free and less rabidly partisan than others. There were rumours of him and Kerry running together on a Rep-Dem ticket in the last election.

Question: everything I read prior to the primaries sugggested that McCain was as dead as disco. Now he's stomping all over the opposition. How so ?

Originally Posted by Bubba

Now he's stomping all over the opposition. How so ?

He's down with war man!

YouTube - McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me"

He's the real McCoy, Roy.

"Get off the Doubletalk Express"



YouTube - John McCain vs. John McCain

YouTube - john.he.is

words versus actions...this applies to all sides:

Talk No, Vote Yes: How do Sleazy Senators Get Away With It?
by Ted Rall | February 19, 2008 - 10:03am

A weird new tactic is highlighting the troubling extent to which the news media fails to hold our elected officials accountable. First, a politician calls a press conference where he issues a strident declaration for or against a bill. Big headlines follow. Then, when the matter comes up for a vote, he votes exactly the opposite of what he had said he would. And no one pays attention.

Ten years ago, not even the most outrageous legislator would attempt such brazen perfidy. Back then, "flip-flopping"--changing one's mind about an issue, voting one way and then the other--was the worst sin a pol could commit. Now he can take to the Senate floor, shout about a proposed law being a threat to mom, God and apple pie--and the next day vote "yes," secure in the knowledge that no reporter will call him on it. Thus can a reputation for courage and integrity be built. It's just that easy.

John McCain pulls this neat trick all the time. He even did it on the same issue twice: torture.

In 2005 the Arizona senator grandstanded in favor of an anti-torture amendment to a defense bill. Bush signed it, but then took it back with one of his notorious "signing statements." NYU law professor David Golove, an expert on Congressional politics, explained that Bush would continue to order torture in U.S. prisons and concentration camps. "The signing statement is saying 'I will only comply with this law when I want to,'" he said.

Senator McCain earned media plaudits for trying to stop torture. But he didn't try hard enough. He was too afraid of losing the backing of Bush and the GOP establishment for his 2008 presidential big. Bush conned him, and he shut up.

Then, on February 13th of this year, the Senate passed a bill that would ban waterboarding and other types of torture. This time, McCain came out and voted "no". In its typically sloppy Orwellian style, The New York Times gave McCain credit for opposing torture--in his imagination--even as he voted in favor of it in the real world, on the Senate floor. "The leading Republican presidential candidate, Senator John McCain of Arizona, a former prisoner of war who steadfastly opposes the use of torture, voted against the bill," scrode The Times. "Steadfast"? "Formerly opposed" is more like it. Better yet, "sort of formerly opposed."

Everyone knows that Senator Barack Obama was against the Iraq War since the beginning. He's been blasting it in speeches since October 2002. He was still at it a few days ago, telling supporters: "John McCain and Hillary Clinton voted for a war in Iraq that should've never been authorized and never been waged. A war that is costing us thousands of precious lives and billions of dollars a week."

Nice talk. But less than a year ago, on March 27, Senator Obama voted to fund the Iraq War to the tune of $122 billion. On April 26 he voted yes again, for a $124 billion version of the same bill. On November 16, he voted for another $50 billion. Billions of dollars a week...

Reporters don't ask Obama why he keeps voting for the war if he's against it. Former President Bill Clinton did: "...there was no difference between [Obama] and George Bush on the war and...there's no difference in [Obama's] voting record and Hillary's...This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen." He was absolutely right.

The media pressured Clinton--not Obama--to apologize.

Obama built his career on headlines that portray him as a hopeful proponent of personal liberty and opportunity. Then, when no one is paying attention, he votes like a fascist.
Passed without debate in the grim months following 9/11, the USA-Patriot Act violates our basic privacy rights by allowing the government to spy on us. "Obama's Stand Against Patriot Act Cheered," declared a June 26, 2005 Associated Press story that appeared in hundreds of newspapers. Finally! Civil libertarians were happy. Many would go on to support Obama's presidential campaign. Indeed, any reasonable reader would infer that he was, as the story said, against the Patriot Act. Did he try to repeal it? No. He voted to renew it.

At a January 5th Democratic debate Senator Hillary Clinton confronted Obama: "You said you would vote against the Patriot Act--you came to the Senate and voted for it." It takes a hypocrite to know one. Hillary voted for it twice.

One of the most accomplished big talkers/vote wimps in the Senate is Clinton's fellow New Yorker Charles Schumer. On issue after issue Schumer, a notorious publicity hound, loudly lambastes the Republicans and their works. "The most dangerous place in Washington," Bob Dole once quipped, "is between Charles Schumer and a television camera." When push comes to a roll call vote, however, the Democrats' attack dog turns into a teacup poodle.

In January 2006 the Senate held confirmation hearings for Samuel Alito. "70 percent of all Americans," Schumer told CNN, "say they do not want a Supreme Court justice who will vote to overturn Roe [v. Wade]." If confirmed, he said, Alito "would vote to overturn." Since the right to an abortion is a key Democratic platform plank, everyone read his statement as a declaration of jihad against Alito's nomination.

On the first day of the hearing Schumer called Alito a right-wing extremist: "In case after case after case, you give the impression of applying careful legal reasoning, but too many times you happen to reach most conservative result. You give the impression of being a meticulous legal navigator, but, in the end, you always seem to chart a rightward course...Under your view, the President would...have inherent authority to wiretap American citizens without a warrant, to ignore Congressional acts at will, or to take any other action he saw fit under his inherent powers."

Schumer voted against Alito's confirmation. But, as a powerful member of the senate leadership, his support for a liberal-led filibuster could have kept Alito off the high court. He did nothing.

Eighteen months later, he issued a rare apology. "Every day," he said, "I am pained that I didn't do more to try to block Justice Alito...Alito shouldn't have been confirmed."

National news organizations chose not to cover Schumer's apology. You see, the news media doesn't merely refuse to call out say-one-thing-vote-the-opposite politicians. It won't even let them call themselves out.

Good get that retard Huckabee on the sidelines. Now for Hilliary to give up the ghost. She has been able to get me to hate the Clintons after backing them for 16 years.