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    Re: Is Hilary being edged out?

    and unfortunately, if has a very negative affect on the rest of the world, maintaining it's neo-colonial empire. But, all empires usually get corrupt, evil and fall, go broke. Americans just don't see it coming and their kids will read about it in history books. maybe, they'll read about Ron Paul's warnings, though doubt it.

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    Re: Is Hilary being edged out?

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    this is interesting

    full article at: Obama vs. The Lobby- by Justin Raimondo

    Obama vs. The Lobby
    No matter how much he grovels, it's never enough

    Poor Obama. No matter how much he tries to placate the Israel lobby, they just won't take yes for an answer. The Lobby has been after him for months, trying to dig up "evidence" that someone with the middle name of "Hussein" is necessarily an enemy of Israel. The best they could come up with so far were the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's jeremiads, which didn't have much of an effect at the polls, as the North Carolina and Indiana primary results – and subsequent national polls – attest.

    Obama's latest ritualized act of kowtowing takes place in the pages of the online edition of The Atlantic. In an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg – a male Judy Miller who retailed Ahmed Chalabi's tall tales of Iraqi "weapons of mass destruction" and other fables while still managing to keep his job and his reputation – Obama jumps through all kinds of hoops with admirable dexterity, while ultimately avoiding abject humiliation and even showing signs of resistance. Goldberg is relentless from the get-go, demanding to know: Does Zionism "have justice on its side?"

    Goldberg comes back with an echo of a persistent suspicion, oft voiced in Likudnik circles: "Do you think that Israel is a drag on America's reputation overseas?"

    Clearly exasperated at this point, Obama cuts to the core of the issue by inserting a heretical concept – that an American president ought to be upholding American interests:

    "No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy. The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions, and so we have a national-security interest in solving this, and I also believe that Israel has a security interest in solving this because I believe that the status quo is unsustainable. I am absolutely convinced of that, and some of the tensions that might arise between me and some of the more hawkish elements in the Jewish community in the United States might stem from the fact that I'm not going to blindly adhere to whatever the most hawkish position is just because that's the safest ground politically."

    Obama really goes on the offensive toward the end of the Goldberg interview, especially when he avers:

    "My job in being a friend to Israel is partly to hold up a mirror and tell the truth and say if Israel is building settlements without any regard to the effects that this has on the peace process, then we're going to be stuck in the same status quo that we've been stuck in for decades now, and that won't lift that existential dread that David Grossman described in your article."

    Of course Obama has read Goldberg's article, and the mirror metaphor is really devastating, yet more evidence of the candidate's underrated ability to lash out – but with a rapier, not a broadsword.

    Existential dread – that's what Obama evokes in the Lobby. They've had it easy during the Bush II era, with the American Netanyahu ensconced in the White House. Settlements? Go right ahead. The Wall of Separation? Higher, please. Assassinations timed to derail the "peace process"? Fire away! Those days will be over if Obama makes it to the Oval Office, and the Lobby knows it.

    The great problem for Obama is that no matter what he does or says, the Lobby will fight him every inch of the way, and the smears will get more outrageous. The "he's-a-secret-Muslim" meme is just the beginning. The guilt-by-association strategy is by no means exhausted. How many penny-ante anti-Semites who spent two minutes with him shaking his hand, and would enjoy the publicity of being the focus of media attention, can be dug up between now and November?

    We'll soon find out.


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    Re: Is Hilary being edged out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    "I've been saying the pledge since I was three years old."
    I don't think he was saying the pledge during the 6 years he grew up in Indonesia. Ooops!

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    Re: Is Hilary being edged out?

    The man doesn't even remember when he started saying the pledge of allegiance! Oh, the scandal...

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    Re: Is Hilary being edged out?

    Quote Originally Posted by zaphodbeeblebrox View Post
    I don't think he was saying the pledge during the 6 years he grew up in Indonesia. Ooops!
    Still he could have been saying it since he was three mate...no?

    Why would he not say them in Indonesia mate? I live here and every night I sing Rule Britiannia (sp?) before I go to bed!!! And God Save The Queen in the morning!!!


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    Re: Is Hilary being edged out?

    Reading his autiobiography I got the impression he was too busy running wild with his mates and smoking dope to spend much time reciting the pledge.
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    Re: Is Hilary being edged out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS View Post
    Reading his autiobiography I got the impression he was too busy running wild with his mates and smoking dope to spend much time reciting the pledge.
    compared to George Bush being a cheerleader for his elite high school,

    http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/images/p-bushcheer.jpg

    owning an oil drilling company with an investment from the Bin Laden family, owning a baseball team and coking it up througout the 80's?
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    Re: Is Hilary being edged out?

    I have a question (as a non-American these things puzzle me). If:

    Hilary is supported by old white uneducated folks
    Barack is supported by young educated blacks and whites
    McCain is supported by old educated whites

    who do the middle-class, middle-aged educated folks black and white vote for? (John Edwards?)

    So, if Barack takes Edwards on as his vice-pres nominee, that should sow up a fair chunk of the voting field, and leave Hilary out in the cold - yes?
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    Re: Is Hilary being edged out?

    good call. Edwards would be a logical choice for Obama and Edwards is a good guy with good intentions.

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    Re: Is Hilary being edged out?

    Do you think Edwards would run for VP twice.
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    Re: Is Hilary being edged out?

    Edwards didn't do squat for Kerry in the south.

    props to Obama for what he said in Farangrakthai's article( Obama vs. The Lobby) up above.


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    Re: Is Hilary being edged out?

    the latest from Bush in Israel refering to Obama, today:

    Bush Says U.S. Won't Talk With Terrorists or Abandon Israel - Yahoo! News

    [May 15 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush will tell Israel's parliament that the U.S. won't negotiate with terrorists or abandon Israel, and the Palestinian people some day ``will have the homeland they have long dreamed of.''

    Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along,'' Bush will tell the Knesset today, according to an advance text of his remarks.

    ``We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed in 1939, an American senator declared: `Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history,'' Bush says.

    Former President Jimmy Carter met last month with leaders of Hamas, listed by the U.S. as a terrorist organization for its attacks on Israelis, and urged the Bush administration to enter into a dialogue with the Palestinian militant group to try to forge a peace deal.

    `America stands with you in breaking up terrorist networks and denying the extremists sanctuary,'' Bush will tell the Knesset. ``And America stands with you in firmly opposing

    Iran's nuclear weapons ambitions. Permitting the world's leading sponsor of terror to possess the world's deadliest weapon would be an unforgivable betrayal of future generations. For the sake of peace, the world must not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon.''

    Propaganda of Enemies'

    Bush rejects the notion that severing links to Israel would make the U.S. better off. ``Some people suggest that if the United States would just break ties with Israel, all our problems in the Middle East would go away,'' he says. ``This is a tired argument that buys into the propaganda of our enemies, and America rejects it utterly.''

    Bush today toured Masada, the ancient Jewish fortress overlooking the Dead Sea where Jews committed mass suicide after holding out against the Roman army. Tomorrow, he visits Saudi Arabia.
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    Re: Is Hilary being edged out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS View Post
    I have a question (as a non-American these things puzzle me). If:

    Hilary is supported by old white uneducated folks
    Barack is supported by young educated blacks and whites
    McCain is supported by old educated whites

    who do the middle-class, middle-aged educated folks black and white vote for? (John Edwards?)

    So, if Barack takes Edwards on as his vice-pres nominee, that should sow up a fair chunk of the voting field, and leave Hilary out in the cold - yes?
    Edwards will not be chosen as Obama's VP, IMO.

    Obama will go for an older Centrist with foreign policy experience, IMO. And a fellow that may appeal to the demographics you have listed above.

    We'll see what happens.

    I don't think Edwards is on the short list. (I hope not.)

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    Re: Is Hilary being edged out?

    ^Jim Webb would make a good VP choice IMO.


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    Re: Is Hilary being edged out?

    Quote Originally Posted by esoteric1 View Post
    ^Jim Webb would make a good VP choice IMO.
    Good point, Eso.

    Any other names thrown around? Chuck Hagel (R) of Nebraska, I am a big fan of. But I think Obama will stay withing the Dem party.

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