The vice president has no "real power". Some have more influence than others, but that is basically at the sufferance of the president. Gore probably has more "real power" outside of the government doing what he is doing than he would have as vice president.Originally Posted by redhaze
It depends on how much power they are given. If, for example, the president says "hey, here's the keys to presidency. I'll be in Crawford if you need me", then I suppose in that case they would have a whole lot of power.
And Dick Cheney is the most powerful vice-president in U.S. history. It was the neo-cons who got to Cheney, and convinced him that invading Iraq would be good policy. It made sense to Cheney, as Haliburton has been the primary beneficiary of the occupation in Iraq, receiving massive no-bid contracts, while openly breaching their contractual obligations (i.e., providing bad water to U.S. military troops).
How the scars of public life shaped Dick Cheney's unyielding view of executive power - US News and World Report
I believe that is basically what I said. If the president decides that the vice president will do very little, that is usually the way it is. It is up to the president and not the vice president in most cases.
Of course DC had to close his entire position with Haliburton, before taking office.
technically true I guess:
03.19.burns
White House Disclosures Lead to 'Hal'(liburton)
While the months pass for US troops occupying Iraq, the financial value and taxpayer-funded cost of Halliburton's extensive Iraq contracts increase.
Halliburton, a huge global conglomerate in the oil field business, landed a non-competitive-bid contract for work in Iraq that now looks almost open-ended. The cost, recently reported by the New York Times at over $2 billion, has led to inquiries being sent to the Office of Management and Budget by Reps. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.) and John D. Dingell (D-Mich.).
Among other issues, Vice President Richard Cheney was head of Halliburton from 1995 to 2000 and may receive deferred compensation and other benefits (not yet calculated) from Halliburton for a period of five years, according to his 2001 financial disclosure statement. Cheney's "golden handshake," however, is not the administration's only link to Halliburton. The company's chief shareholders, whose top management can be predicted to benefit financially from war in Iraq, also have administration ties.
David Letterman-style, the Top Ten shareholders for Halliburton Company, Inc., are as follows: (see biz.yahoo.com/hd/h/hal.html):
#10: The Vanguard Group, with 7.6 million shares of Halliburton stock, worth about $176 million. Vanguard, also 10th largest mutual-fund shareholder in Halliburton, is a huge owner in ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillips. It moved onto this list recently when Dallas-based Maverick Capital, privately owned by the Wylie family, moved off. Vice President Cheney's disclosure statement (above) shows millions of his retirement money invested through Vanguard.
I'm just going to assume that you forgot to put the eye-roll smiley at this end of this post to indicate that you were being sarcastic.
Hillary's connections to Monsanto:
Open Letter to Hillary Clinton From a Wellesley College Alumna Celsias
In these days of food shortages, particularly grains like rice, I'm not so sure that corporations like Monsanto are evil. We have to depend on them to lead the green revolution.
or they may be responsible for the shortages.
Oregon and Kentucky both vote this Tuesday. Obama seems likely to claim victory in the pledged delegate portion of the contest after this night. Some guesses on the outcomes of the individual contests, just for fun:
Kentucky: Well, since I vastly underestimated Clinton's strength in West Virginia (by about 15 points), I'll go with a more liberal estimate here.
Clinton +30
Oregon: The polling I have seen on this state is all over the place. The state is pretty white, blacks are something like 2%. But there are also a lot of hardcore liberal activists here as well.
Obama +15
Will Clinton drop out in the days following the primary? My guess is that this race is over by Friday. I think she cuts a deal so that the delegates will be seated from Michigan and Florida, claims victory on that front, and prepares to support the nominee (ie root secretly that he loses so that she can run again in 2012.) We shall see....
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^you can bet she's gotta scheme that's all about her.
Checking around for Oregon predictions, I found this short blog
Kevin’s Prediction for the Oregon PrimaryHillary Clinton should win at least 13 counties: Tillamook, Curry, Josephine, Hood River, Jefferson, Sherman, Wheeler, Morrow, Umatilla, Wallowa, Lake, Harney, and Malheur.
Barack Obama should win at least 7 counties: Multnomah, Clackamas, Washington, Columbia, Clastop, Benton, and Lane.
Because of Oregons unique situation, the remaining 16 counties I have no idea who’s going to win.
Here’s why Oregon is different:
-This is the first northwest state that is actually holding a primary, the others all held caucuses.
-Oregon votes 100% by mail. Which obviously favors older voters, which favors Hillary.
-The state has a tradition of voting for anti-establishment candidates. This favors Obama.
The hardest thing to predict in this state is how the white rural voters in the Eastern part of the state will vote. You would think it would be a no brainer, they would vote for Hillary. But this is Oregon. Look at Idaho(yes I know it was a caucus). Look at Wyoming(yes I know it was a caucus). Look at Washington(yes I know it was a caucus). Obama won all the white rural areas of these states.
It’s also hard to predict how the outskirts of Portland will vote. Obama will win huge in the Greater Portland area, but the counties just outside of that greater Portland area will be a toss up (Marion, Wasco, Linn, Yamhill, Polk, and Lincoln).
This state in a sense will answer a question I’ve been wondering about for a while:
Is Obama’s strength in the North Western mountain states real? Or was it because of the caucuses?
Ok prediction time:
It’s hard to say what the margin will be but Obama will win Oregon.
I’ll make two predictions:
Prediction A: If his strength in the north west is real, I’ll say he wins 62-38.
Prediction B: If his strength in the north west was due to caucuses, I’ll say he’ll win 54-46.
So sitting at 15 percent Obama, you're about mid range between these two redhaze.So lets say Hillary takes Kentucky by 30 and only takes Oregon by eight or less? You figure things are over at that point? Going to be interesting. I always like dark horses and at this point Hillary seems a pretty dark horse.
If you're being run out of town, get in front of the crowd and make it look like a parade.
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This supposition amazes me...Obama anti-establishment.
but Hillary has no leg to stand on accusing Obama of being radical:
at: washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines
Clinton Quiet About Own Radical Ties
Faulting of Obama Called Hypocritical
Obama's biggest crowd yet....in Oregon:
Carlson/AP
Sen. Barack Obama is dwarfed by the crowd on the banks of the Willamette River in Portland, Ore., Sunday.
will it translate into votes though?
Obama's swept away by sea of supporters 2 days before Oregon vote
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So Obama's going to get it.
But the struggle for the nomination will have deeply divided the Dems. McCain will play on this and the fact that Obama doesn't wear the flag pin and he's got ties with dodgy preachers. McCain will be pres.
No?
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