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Old 12th February 2008, 10:25   #1 (permalink)
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Is quoting the wikipedia acceptable in intelligent debate?

I'm not sure where I stand exactly on this issue. Is the wikipedia an acceptable resource to back up intelligent debate? I have heard that it is frowned upon in academic circles. I know that I would never reference it in an essay. What do other people think? Does quoting from the wikipedia weaken an argument? Or is this just snobbery?
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Old 12th February 2008, 10:31   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Is quoting the wikipedia acceptable in intelligent debate?

Why don't you just Google the answer?
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Old 12th February 2008, 10:33   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Is quoting the wikipedia acceptable in intelligent debate?

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Why don't you just Google the answer?
I did and google directed me here.
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Re: Is quoting the wikipedia acceptable in intelligent debate?

I'll be frank and say as a quick reference source it's pretty sound. The times I've pulled up information from Wiki about a topic I'm quite knowledgeable about it's been very accurate.


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Re: Is quoting the wikipedia acceptable in intelligent debate?

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Re: Is quoting the wikipedia acceptable in intelligent debate?

For a debate that takes place on an internet forum, citing wiki is acceptable.
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Re: Is quoting the wikipedia acceptable in intelligent debate?

^so is swearing on a stack of bibles...
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Re: Is quoting the wikipedia acceptable in intelligent debate?

In debates, sources such as the dictionary are used to set the terms of reference, but after that the argument must be made with more specific research and facts. If your sole source of intellectual content (or even a main one) was Wiki, your argument would be easy prey to more dedicated research.
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Re: Is quoting the wikipedia acceptable in intelligent debate?

While it doesn't happen, outright lies can be and have been posted there. Obviously, they are discovered eventually (at least all seem to be), but it wouldn't be good to rely on a lie in any kind of significant work. Use what you find there with caution.
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You would need to provide back up with more formally acceptable data sources.
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Re: Is quoting the wikipedia acceptable in intelligent debate?

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I'm not sure where I stand exactly on this issue. Is the wikipedia an acceptable resource to back up intelligent debate?
Wiki is good for non-political info (because of the bias) and controversial topics.

The bibliography and additional sources are helpfu. I wouldn't trust it too much. I've bias and innacuracy in Wiki on occasion.

That said, it's a great resource for looking something up quickly and getting general info about someone, or something.
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Re: Is quoting the wikipedia acceptable in intelligent debate?

I would only use it with people who are not very bright and have short attention spans.


You know ....In a class room you will have dumb kids and smart kids and you have to teach to both....Well a good teacher does this don't they ?


For those smarter kids you could give extension activities with tasks requiring more higher thinking processes. ( this could include internet articles to more academic web addresses ) Even including ideas opposed to the one being taught.

For the Buffalos of the herd I would definitely dumb it down a bit so concise simple direct language should be used . (this would include sites such as wikipedia)


I would never use it as a source of refence in an actual conversation or academic paper.


I would however use it as a source of knowledge


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In debates, sources such as the dictionary are used to set the terms of reference, but after that the argument must be made with more specific research and facts. If your sole source of intellectual content (or even a main one) was Wiki, your argument would be easy prey to more dedicated research.
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For academia - no. Definately not. If preparing a scholarly article or even a "scholarly board" discussion do not cite or provide a link to wiki. The main criticism would be that the information is not formally "peer reviewed" and as such has a very great deal of less validity and much of what is said on wiki is inadequately referenced. You would need to provide back up with more formally acceptable data sources. Depending upon the field, there are several academic search engines that will help you out.
Not to be contrary but I think you guys are missing the point a bit on this one. Wiki is an online encyclopedia, not a trade journal or other scholarly work. I would guess that no one in their right mind would quote the Encyclopedia Britannica (or Encarta for that matter) during their doctoral thesis. It is what it is an online encyclopedia and for all the issues related to its open source nature and regular lack of peer review I think its a great tool for general information gathering.

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I'm not sure where I stand exactly on this issue. Is the wikipedia an acceptable resource to back up intelligent debate? I have heard that it is frowned upon in academic circles.
I am not sure that intelligent debate and academic circles should be in the same paragraph since one rarely exists in close proximity to the other (j/k). For my 2 cents I would say it is fine as a resource for intelligent debate but is definitely not an appropriate source for academics which generally require all referenced material to direct the reader to the original scholarly publication.

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