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Sorry to ask a dumb question but are there any posters on here who still believe that 9/11 was the work of terrorists and that the US Government was not complicit?
I do believe the act itself was executed by terrorists. However, I do believe it was a response to US foreign policy. For so long, the US believed its actions would never come back, would never get any response in the world, that it became arrogant.
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A brilliant film about the BBC's selective and distorted 911 coverage. With particular reference to the Conspiracy Files programme aired on BBC Two on February 18th 2007.
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Like most Americans, I was gripped by senses of profound shock, horror, revulsion, sadness, and rage as I watched the horror of September 11, 2001 unfolding live on my television screen. Watching the mass murder of thousands of innocent people live on television was the most upsetting experience of my life. How could any person of sound moral character not be enraged at witnessing this horrific act of barbarism?
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But not all of the eye-witnesses to the 9-11 slaughter were so saddened. On September 11, five Israeli army veterans were arrested by the FBI after several witnesses saw them "dancing", "high-fiving", and "celebrating" as they took pictures of the World Trade Center disaster from across the river in New Jersey. Steven Gordon was the lawyer who volunteered to represent the five Israelis. He was asked by a Hebrew newspaper why the five men were being detained by the FBI. Here’s what Gordon told Yediot America:
"On the day of the disaster, three of the five boys went up on the roof of the building where the company office is located," said Gordon. "I'm not sure if they saw the twin towers collapse, but, in any event, they photographed the ruins right afterwards. One of the neighbors who saw them called the police and claimed they were posing, dancing and laughing, against the background of the burning towers….
"Anyhow, the three left the roof, took an Urban truck, and drove to a parking lot, located about a five-minute drive from the offices. They parked, stood on the roof of the truck to get a better view of the destroyed towers and took photographs. A woman who was in the building above the lot testified that she saw them smiling and exchanging high-fives. She and another neighbor called the police and reported on Middle-Eastern looking people dancing on the truck. They copied and reported the license plates. 2
When the photos were developed, they revealed that the dancing Israelis were smiling in the foreground of the New York massacre. 3 According to ABC’s 20/20 attempted whitewash of the incident, in addition to their outrageous and highly suspicious behavior, the five also had in their possession the following items; box-cutters, European passports, and $4700 cash hidden in a sock. 4 Why were these Israeli agents so happy about the horrible massacre that was unfolding right before their very eyes? What evil spirit could possess people who are supposed to be America's "allies", and who receive billions of dollars in financial and military aid from US taxpayers each year , to publicly rejoice as innocent people (including many American jews) were burning to death and jumping out of 110 story buildings? Could it be that these happy Israeli army veterans were in some way linked to this monstrous attack? That’s what officials close to the investigation initially told The Bergen Record newspaper of New Jersey. 5
As incredible, as ridiculous, and as "paranoid" as that belief may appear to you at this point, the fact is that certain elements within the Israeli government, and Zionist movement in general, have a long history of attacking the USA and framing Arabs in order to gain support from the US. Before we begin to piece together what really transpired on 9-11, it is absolutely critical that we first review some historical precedents regarding Israel's and International Zionism's treacherous history of manipulating America (and other nations) for their own selfish purposes. Without a basic understanding of this history, it would be impossible to understand the truth as it is today. So put aside your preconceived notions, your psychological defense mechanisms, and your prejudices, and step into my time machine for a journey down the memory hole.
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I've never seen a president - I don't care who he is - stand up to them (the Israelis). It just boggles your mind. They always get what they want ... If the American people understood what grip those people have on our government, they would rise up in arms.
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, Former Chief of Naval Operations, and Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, quoted in Andrew Hurley's book, One Nation Under Israel
^ Good stuff, except for the Penn & Teller Bullshit, which is mostly bullshit. Entertaining, but still bulllshit. They certainly don't let facts get in the way, or even try to present a balanced argument. Just make condescending remarks and call people names really.
Ah, yes, the Zionist Lite Chomsky. Notice he doesn't say anything about all those Israelis arrested in connection with 9/11.
Think about it. If you have Jews in the U.S. military, the Pentagon (google Dov Zakheim), all committed to the Zionist plan, you don't have to worry about keeping it a secret.
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Big extraordinary events don't always have big extraordinary explanations.
So explain why NIST has failed to conduct a proper investigation, and why there is still no official report on the collapse of WTC 7.
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I've never seen a president - I don't care who he is - stand up to them (the Israelis). It just boggles your mind. They always get what they want ... If the American people understood what grip those people have on our government, they would rise up in arms.
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, Former Chief of Naval Operations, and Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, quoted in Andrew Hurley's book, One Nation Under Israel
Last edited by Larkinny; 29th March 2008 at 19:56.
^ maybe when Usrael finally nukes someone using the Sept. 11th official fairytale/terror/blah-blah-blah as an excuse then they'll give a damn that it was all over a huge lie.
Yes it happened....it's the who really did it, that's in question.
Ya got Benazir Bhutto, before her death, telling David Frost that Osama bin Laden(the reason for the war in Afghanistan) was murdered....and nobody here in the corp./gov media in the US is asking any questions! WTF??!!
David Frost himself did not even ask a follow-up question to her claim! Why?? Maybe because he already knew that bin Laden was dead, and was not surprised?? Why is this not considered newsworthy by the official 'accepted' 'news' sources?? The same ones who brought you the whole official 9/11 fairytale btw.
un-fucking-believable!
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Last edited by esoteric1; 30th March 2008 at 17:46.
I think Frost, the dumb old fuck, probably just didn't notice; I've seen him do this kind of thing before.
It's really weird the way that Bhutto just mentioned that OBL had been murdered, in a manner that suggested it was already common knowledge. I'm confused...
^ I first saw that interview shortly after Bhutto's death...there has been zero coverage of it in the US 'lamestream' media.
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Re: 9/11 Redux
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why NIST has failed to conduct a proper investigation
Don't know.
Does it matter for the c.t.-ists? They'll just morph it and bend it to fit their worldview or else discount it if there's a government person or Jew involved. Kind of pointless really.
Anyway how come there's no evidence of explosives found btw?
How come there's never been a leak from any of the hundreds that would have had to have been involved to rig up the explosives the Twin Towers?
Why did they blow up the Twin Towers and also provide such an obvious cause for people to believe the collapse came from, yet did not provide a visible cause for another tower falling? How was such a huge oversight made in this diabolical plan?
Why do c.t.-ists lie about the "freefall speed" if their the "truth" movement?
Why to c.t-ists lie about no plane wreckage being found at the Pentagon? How come they lie about there being no video evidence to back-up what eye-witnesses said about the plane hitting the Pentagaon?
How come civil-engineers seem to be in such uniform agreement as to what happened? Let me guess. There in with the government.
etc. etc. etc.
Why do I give a shit? The c.t. is which distracts otherwise intelligent people from dealing with real issues of real significance.
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why there is still no official report on the collapse of WTC 7.
Don't know. Not everything has a nice, neat explanation which fits snuggly with our view of how things should be. Ambiguity may be uncomfortable but we do have to learn to live with it. Not knowing every detail doesn't automatically spell conspiracy.
I just had a look at Wikipedia though (great resource) which says the report is pending.
^ robi wouldn't you say that the official explanation is also a conspiracy theory?
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Anyway how come there's no evidence of explosives found btw?
There is, lots of it. Like the evidence of iron microspheres that were most definitely molten. This takes temperatures far exceeding any possible hydrocarbon fire temperatures. Like the speed of the collapses, accounts of molten metal, sustained temperatures for weeks on the rubble pile, accounts of explosions before the collapses, etc.
What force removed the CORE? We can see that even if the floors did "pancake" down, they would not have taken the core with them on the way down. What force could have moved 4 inch steel box columns out of the way with such speed?
Gordon Ross, a mechanical and manufacturing engineer, has written a paper addressing this and has come to the conclusion that it was absolutely impossible under the most favorable circumstances for the energy in the upper floors to be transfered to the floors below with enough efficiency to increase the rate of collapse.
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How come there's never been a leak from any of the hundreds that would have had to have been involved to rig up the explosives the Twin Towers?
I answered that above.
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Why did they blow up the Twin Towers and also provide such an obvious cause for people to believe the collapse came from, yet did not provide a visible cause for another tower falling? How was such a huge oversight made in this diabolical plan?
There's been so little media coverage of WTC 7 that most people think only two buildings collapsed. Do an experiment: ask your friends and colleagues that.
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Why do c.t.-ists lie about the "freefall speed" if their the "truth" movement?
Do they? Where?
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Why to c.t-ists lie about no plane wreckage being found at the Pentagon? How come they lie about there being no video evidence to back-up what eye-witnesses said about the plane hitting the Pentagaon?
Where?
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How come civil-engineers seem to be in such uniform agreement as to what happened? Let me guess. There in with the government.
How come engineers like Gordon Ross never get the publicity they deserve?
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I just had a look at Wikipedia though (great resource) which says the report is pending.
It was due in 2005 but keeps getting postponed. Apparently NIST have outsourced it.
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I've never seen a president - I don't care who he is - stand up to them (the Israelis). It just boggles your mind. They always get what they want ... If the American people understood what grip those people have on our government, they would rise up in arms.
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, Former Chief of Naval Operations, and Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, quoted in Andrew Hurley's book, One Nation Under Israel
If it's not covered by 'accepted' news sources, it didn't happen. Of course the fact that the same 'accepted' news sources have lied to you(many times by omission) time after time over the years doesn't matter.
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I think Frost, the dumb old fuck, probably just didn't notice; I've seen him do this kind of thing before.
which distracts otherwise intelligent people from dealing with real issues of real significance. 