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4th March 2008, 02:29
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9/11 Redux
The part I've bolded in the quote below is what nags at me the most...wtf?!  This is why we have two useless immoral wars going at the same time??!! 
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It makes no sense to believe a man about one thing when he has told nothing but lies about everything else. What makes 911 different? As Dr. Hans Koechler points out, it has become 'politically correct dogma'. As Ronald Reagan's 'trickle down theory' and 'fundamentalist Christianity' has done for 'true believers', the 'official conspiracy theory of 911, relieves its 'true believers' of responsibility for their 'sins' and places it with a 'rag tag band' of 'evil terrorists'. The GOP's faith in the 911 orthodoxy has become a secular religion, akin to their unquestioned belief in Christianity, a faith --not a science --in which they are relieved of responsibility, forgiven all sins in exchange for merely believing a 'dogma' for which there is not a shred of logic or fact in support. The 'terrorists' have become Christ-like. They have borne America's collective guilt and died for our sins.
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from: The Existentialist Cowboy: Official Conspiracy Theory Called “dogma of political correctness”
also see: Voices - 'Official Conspiracy Theory' Believed Only by 'Hypocrites and Fools'
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4th March 2008, 03:45
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Re: 9/11 Redux
The whole WTC/Pentagon/Anthrax episode was very impressive. Something of that magnitude could only be carried out by a government, most likely the US government. A majority of New Yorkers have now come around to this way of thinking about this episode.
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4th March 2008, 06:58
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4th March 2008, 06:59
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Re: 9/11 Redux
^ a believer?
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4th March 2008, 08:00
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Re: 9/11 Redux
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It makes no sense to believe a man about one thing when he has told nothing but lies about everything else. What makes 911 different?
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Because then you attribute too much to "a man". It seems to me to be stigma of denial, the facts (as laughable as they may be) weren't gathered by one person or even one agency and as many holes as people want to put in them, there haven't been any real alternative "facts" that make any sense.
Please, show alternatives rather than beating the horse with opinions.
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4th March 2008, 08:03
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Re: 9/11 Redux
wasnt the manhattan project kept secret for a long time before it was revealed?
this is not about 1 man. but its still recent- and its cover up wont last forever. it invloves far too many people
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4th March 2008, 11:15
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Re: 9/11 Redux
I am afraid this is a mystery that will not be solved in our lifetime. If the consipracy theories were proved to be true, then it would absolutely destroy the country. Granted they do make for some interesting reading, and have some pretty good scientific ground to stand on for their arguments.
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4th March 2008, 12:20
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Re: 9/11 Redux
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It makes no sense to believe a man about one thing when he has told nothing but lies about everything else. What makes 911 different?
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Who is the "man" in question? |
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4th March 2008, 15:03
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wasnt the manhattan project kept secret for a long time before it was revealed?
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In remote New Mexico that was not something the whole world watched on TV.
This Manhattan Project on the other hand did happen in Manhattan with all of the worlds media outlets reporting it and the film accessible to anyone who wants it. Not a great secret, really.
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4th March 2008, 15:14
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The whole WTC/Pentagon/Anthrax episode was very impressive. Something of that magnitude could only be carried out by a government, most likely the US government. A majority of New Yorkers have now come around to this way of thinking about this episode.
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If I'm reading your post correctly, are you claiming that more than half of New Yorkers think that the events on 9/11/2001 were carried out by the US govt?
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4th March 2008, 15:19
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That man who smokes Morleys and knows everything about Fox & Dana.
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4th March 2008, 16:21
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Re: 9/11 Redux
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Bush....and should include his neo-con support group.
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shit! I should have started a poll too.
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4th March 2008, 16:32
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Re: 9/11 Redux
So what do "we" supposedly believe him about? 
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Voices - 'Official Conspiracy Theory' Believed Only by 'Hypocrites and Fools'
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 Good reasonable, measured commentary.
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Hear me people. We know who you are and we know who we are. We see you lie and we see you murder. We see. You are going down. It may not be today and it may not be tomorrow but you are going down. And you... all of you who know and who abet and serve the empire of darkness; all of you who have sold your honor and integrity for a place at the table, for the opportunity to run your mouths about banal tripe and be a hearty-fellow-well-met among the psychopaths, who lurk like jackals among the lions, who are complicit in this evil... you will be shamed beyond endurance for having been such a whore and a fool for table scraps at the cost of your humanity.
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4th March 2008, 16:34
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Re: 9/11 Redux
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So what do "we" supposedly believe him about?
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where did you think the official 9/11 explanation came from? The Bush/neo-con gang were implanting the Osama/Al Qaeda did it meme before the dust even settled that day.
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4th March 2008, 16:38
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Re: 9/11 Redux
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the official 9/11 explanation
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The Official Explanation as opposed to the Conspiracy Theory? Where do those of us who don't see it that way fit in? Any room for more than 2 mutually dependent possibilities, one of which exists solely to refute the other?
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The Bush/neo-con gang were implanting the Osama/Al Qaeda did it meme before the dust even settled that day.
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Maybe they knew who was responsible? There was plenty of prior intellignece an attack was imminent it seems. Not a very dramatic explanation I know. It may not be enough to sate the appetite of some for a less mundane explanation which would better match the magnitude of the event.
Unfortunately terrorism is a very normal everyday occurence. Countries which have experienced it for years know this and don't tend to seek fantastic reasons why people are killed in cowardly and senseless ways.
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