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Farangrakthai · 27th April 2008, 01:54

interesting and, it's certainly true that Zionists dont speak for all Jews.

New poll reveals how unrepresentative neocon Jewish groups are - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com

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A new survey of American Jewish opinion, released by the American Jewish Committee, demonstrates several important propositions: (1) right-wing neocons (the Bill Kristol/Commentary/ AIPAC/Marty Peretz faction) who relentlessly claim to speak for Israel and for Jews generally hold views that are shared only by a small minority of American Jews; (2) viewpoints that are routinely demonized as reflective of animus towards Israel or even anti-Semitism are ones that are held by large majorities of American Jews; and (3) most American Jews oppose U.S. military action in the Middle East -- including both in Iraq and against Iran.
It is beyond dispute that American Jews overwhelmingly oppose core neoconservative foreign policy principles. Hence, in large numbers, they disapprove of the way the U.S. is handling its "campaign against terrorism" (59-31); overwhelmingly believe the U.S. should have stayed out of Iraq (67-27); believe that things are going "somewhat badly" or "very badly" in Iraq (76-23); and believe that the "surge" has either made things worse or has had no impact (68-30).

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Larkinny · 29th April 2008, 02:25

Local Austin non-violent Palestinian activist Riad Hamad was found in the river, hands and legs bound with a blind-fold.

And the police say suicide?

Right, hands and legs bound, tape over his eyes. He managed all this, then hopped to the lake and squirmed along until he got in deep enough to drown.

This kind of stuff doesn't even make it into movies because it wouldn't be believable, yet the media put it out and expect us to buy into it.

Remember the Roberto Calvi case? Where the police, years later, finally managed to work out that it would have been impossible for Calvi to have killed himself in the position in which his body was found.

Here's what the Zionist Frontpage Mag had to say about Hamad:

Recruiting for Jihad

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The Palestinian Children’s Welfare Fund (PCWF) is one of a multitude of Islamic children’s charities whose stated goal is “to improve the living standards of the children of Palestine.” One of the ways the PCWF has demonstrated this was to conduct a drawing contest in October of 2002, whereby children won money for drawing gruesome pictures depicting anti-Semitic and violent images.

The PCWF is headed by Riad Hamad. Hamad's resume includes being fired from Austin Community College for allegedly "making racist slurs and sexist jokes in the classroom." He doesn't agree, though; he says he was fired for "making statements against the U.S. government." Hamad is currently an instructor at a different school, in his words, "till I get fired again."

The FBI has on a number of occasions conducted surveillance on Riad Hamad.

His neighbors have been interviewed, his co-workers have been questioned, and packages he has sent have been opened - with good reason, it would appear.

Riad Hamad spelled out his anti-Semitic agenda during a response to an online article. According to his version of history, "Britain allowed several hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants to land in Palestine despite the opposition of the original inhabitants.

Anti-Semitic agenda?

Oh, OK, got it! The ultimate anti-Semitic act - to feed a starving Palestinian child, so allowing that child to live and grow up, adding to the "demographic problem" facing Zionists in the Middle East.

Hamad had described a campaign of government harassment against his charitable work.

Farangrakthai · 1st May 2008, 16:46

interesting!

BBC - Religion & Ethics - British Jews and the Dream of Zion

British Jews and the Dream of Zion

Jonathan Freedland

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Jonathan Freedland explores the complex relationship between British Jews and the Jewish homeland in a programme recorded to mark the 60th anniversary of the creation of the state of Israel.

Monday 28 April and Monday 5 May, 20:02, BBC Radio 4

For many Jews, Israel is like your family: it deserves your loyalty, you could never disown it and when others attack you leap to its defence.

Jews who criticise Israel are sometimes condemned as 'self-loathing' by members of their own community. Devout Jews pray daily for Israel - or Zion as it's known in the ancient texts. Israel and Zionism are sensitive subjects, regarded as going to the heart of what it means to be Jewish.

Yet the relationship between British Jews and the state of Israel is a new one, not yet 60 years old. To what extent does the modern state represent the 'promised land' of scripture?

In these two programmes, journalist Jonathan Freedland explores how British Jewish attitudes to the idea of a Jewish homeland - and to the reality - have evolved, examining the perspectives of both secular and religious Jews and exploring Zionism's dual role as a religious and political movement.

In the first programme, we hear from Jewish historian Colin Schindler as well as figures caught up in the history of Zionism - including Tony Benn (a former Zionist) and Dame Simone Prendergast (of the Marks and Spencer dynasty).

Xtrafresh · 1st May 2008, 20:48

I guess I will have to breath some life in this thread tomorrow.... I am pooped.

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robitusson · 2nd May 2008, 17:20

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel warns of invasion of Gaza

Israeli minister threatens Palestinians with a "holocaust".

Eliyahu advocates carpet bombing Gaza | Jerusalem Post

A chief rabbi advocates carpet bombing Gaza

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Eliyahu ruled that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings.

Shame the seriousness of stuff like this is taken away when people use it for anti-Semitic puposes.

Xtrafresh · 2nd May 2008, 21:16

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Originally Posted by robitusson

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel warns of invasion of Gaza

Israeli minister threatens Palestinians with a "holocaust".

Eliyahu advocates carpet bombing Gaza | Jerusalem Post

A chief rabbi advocates carpet bombing Gaza

Do you know Hebriew robitusson?Matan Vilnai used the word "Shoah" which means disaster. The phrase that he used was "yamitu al atsmam shoah gdolah yoter." Yamitu Shoah means to bring about a disaster. If you can read Hebrew then I would suggest that you visit these two sites:

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äæëåú ìäåøåú - äæëåú ìéìãåú

The first site discusses whether or not child subsidies will cause a "shoah" and the second site discusses whether or not computers will cause a "shoah

The proper Hebrew word to describe holocaust is Hashoah

Now to the second article: I agree with the Rabbi. Israel has a long and proud tradition of trying to protect the innocent Arabs living in Gaza and the West Bank. It grieves us to no end when innocent people are killed. The cowardly terrorists have used human shields (women, children and babies) to thwart attacks. This is against the Geneva Convention and a war crime in on itself. For decades Israel have restrained the hand of justice to protect them but the patience of many in Israel is waning. Why, they argue, are the terrorists allowed to freely target our children and get away by hiding behind theirs? The Rabbi has made many strong points (and I wish that more people could understand Hebrew on these forums) in his sermon.

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robitusson · 3rd May 2008, 11:18

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Originally Posted by Xtrafresh

Do you know Hebriew robitusson?Matan Vilnai used the word "Shoah" which means disaster. The phrase that he used was "yamitu al atsmam shoah gdolah yoter." Yamitu Shoah means to bring about a disaster.

Sounds a bit like Larry Craig and his "wide stance" excuse.

Larkinny · 9th May 2008, 02:06

The loathsome smearing of Israel's critics

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8 May 2008

In the US and Britain, there is a campaign to smear anybody who tries to describe the plight of the Palestinian people. It is an attempt to intimidate and silence – and to a large degree, it works. There is nobody these self-appointed spokesmen for Israel will not attack as anti-Jewish: liberal Jews, rabbis, even Holocaust survivors.

My own case isn't especially important, but it illustrates how the wider process of intimidation works. I have worked undercover at both the Finsbury Park mosque and among neo-Nazi Holocaust deniers to expose the Jew-hatred there; when I went on the Islam Channel to challenge the anti-Semitism of Islamists, I received a rash of death threats calling me "a Jew-lover", "a Zionist-homo pig" and more.

Ah, but wait. I have also reported from Gaza and the West Bank. Last week, I wrote an article that described how untreated sewage was being pumped from illegal Israeli settlements on to Palestinian land, contaminating their reservoirs. This isn't controversial. It has been documented by Friends of the Earth, and I have seen it with my own eyes.

The response? There was little attempt to dispute the facts I offered. Instead, some of the most high profile "pro-Israel" writers and media monitoring groups – including Honest Reporting and Camera – said I an anti-Jewish bigot akin to Joseph Goebbels and Mahmoud Ahmadinejadh, while Melanie Phillips even linked the stabbing of two Jewish people in North London to articles like mine. Vast numbers of e-mails came flooding in calling for me to be sacked.

Any attempt to describe accurately the situation for Palestinians is met like this. If you recount the pumping of sewage onto Palestinian land, "Honest Reporting" claims you are reviving the anti-Semitic myth of Jews "poisoning the wells." If you interview a woman whose baby died in 2002 because she was detained – in labour – by Israeli soldiers at a checkpoint within the West Bank, "Honest Reporting" will say you didn't explain "the real cause": the election of Hamas in, um, 2006. And on, and on.

The former editor of Israel's leading newspaper, Ha'aretz, David Landau, calls the behaviour of these groups "nascent McCarthyism". Those responsible hold extreme positions of their own that place them way to the right of most Israelis. Alan Dershowitz and Melanie Phillips are two of the most prominent figures sent in to attack anyone who disagrees with the Israeli right. Dershowitz is a lawyer, Harvard professor and author of The Case For Israel. He sees ethnic cleansing as a trifling matter, writing: "Political solutions often require the movement of people, and such movement is not always voluntary ... It is a fifth-rate issue analogous in many respects to some massive urban renewal." If a prominent American figure takes a position on Israel to the left of this, Dershowitz often takes to the airwaves to call them anti-Semites and bigots.

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re_fuse · 9th May 2008, 09:00