Why Zionism-Nazism Comparisons are Legitimate - Ajarn Forum

Larkinny · 18th April 2008, 19:54

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I strongly believe that Jews around the world, including those in Israel , ought to be constantly reminded of the evil crimes committed in Palestine under their collective name, as well as understand the close ideological similarity between Nazism and Zionism.

This, I believe, is a legitimate tool to get Jews, especially those who still value justice and honesty, to reconsider their identification and infatuation with this evil entity and its equally nefarious ideology and actions.

Jews all around the world simply can’t love Israel and support its wanton criminality against the Palestinian people while at the same time continuing to lecture the world about the evils of Nazism. Moral consistency is absolutely paramount.

Supporting oppression and racism is often as bad as practicing oppression and racism. Indeed, oppression such as occupation can’t persist for a long time without the material and moral support and backing by people who may often look nice and speak softly. Many of the supporters of Apartheid in South Africa and Nazism in Germany also looked very nice and spoke softly, not knowing (or knowing) that they were tacitly backing evil, racist criminals committing ghastly crimes against humanity.

Zionism (the central embodiment of which is the apartheid Israeli state) is evil because of its racist evil ideology and criminal actions and behaviour in Palestine .

Zionism has declared all Jews a distinct ethnicity, just as the Nazis had declared all Germans a distinct ethnicity.

Both Zionism and Nazism strove to build a ‘state’ that would be ‘redeemed’ through violent purification (in the case of Nazi Germany) and ‘an Iron wall’ (in the case of Zionist Israel).

In both instances, ethnic cleansing was the main tool used to obliterate the ‘inferiors,’ the ‘water carriers and wood hewers’ in order to create ‘German-only’ settlements in Europe and ‘Jewish-only’ settlements in Palestine .

In all honesty, there are no fundamental differences between Jewish national socialism (Zionism) and German national socialism (Nazism). The Nazis preached the ‘Master Race’ to justify Nazism while Zionists adopted the ancient myth of the ‘Chosen People’ to justify Zionism.

Bubba · 18th April 2008, 20:17

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close ideological similarity between Nazism and Zionism.

Really ?

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can’t love Israel and support its wanton criminality against the Palestinian people

Can't they ?

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Moral consistency is absolutely paramount.

Is it ?

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Supporting oppression and racism is often as bad as practicing oppression and racism.

Really ?

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oppression such as occupation can’t persist for a long time without the material and moral support and backing by people who may often look nice and speak softly.

Can't it ?

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Zionism has declared all Jews a distinct ethnicity

Have they ?

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Both Zionism and Nazism strove to build a ‘state’ that would be ‘redeemed’ through violent purification

Did/do they ?

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ethnic cleansing was the main tool used to obliterate the ‘inferiors,’

was/is it ?

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there are no fundamental differences between Jewish national socialism (Zionism) and German national socialism (Nazism).

Isn't there ?

Not exactly a well constructed argument there, Larkinny ... an awful lot of assumptions repesented as facts and, lets face it, the whole argument is ad hilterum ... why not come back with some quotes, statistics and facts and you might be taken seriously.

keeshou · 18th April 2008, 21:36

First off there are those gas chambers that are located all over Israel and

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Originally Posted by Larkinny

Zionism has declared all Jews a distinct ethnicity, just as the Nazis had declared all Germans a distinct ethnicity.

When did this entity "Zionism" start talking? When did every single Jewish person agree with him?

Mr. Zionism must be a real clever guy to be able to do all of this without exposing himself to the non-Jews (and most likely to most Jews themselves).

bewildered wanderer · 18th April 2008, 21:45

^no Israelis have just sunk to the level of their enemies
not that that is a bad thing IMO

daneel · 18th April 2008, 21:55

Zionism again, every one knows it is those slamander things that do all this. OHHH KERUX.

Lor Ling · 18th April 2008, 22:08

Who gives a flying wank?

daneel · 18th April 2008, 22:10

The OP does?

Lor Ling · 18th April 2008, 22:22

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Originally Posted by daneel

The OP does?

Hasn't he heard the old Thai saying "Kit a load of old wank mai dee!"?

daneel · 18th April 2008, 22:29

Yeah but they don't know the JEEWWSS are coming

greenleaf · 18th April 2008, 22:31

As far as I can see, the OP doesnt have an opinion but he CAN do quotes very well.

Uncle Harry · 18th April 2008, 22:52

Anyone who has ever been to Israel would agree that the Israelis do think of themselves as the master race and that everyone else is as worthy as a cockroach. In that respect I would say that they are similar to Nazis.

greenleaf · 18th April 2008, 23:03

The Pope and the Jew

Several centuries ago, the Pope decided that all the Jews had to leave the Vatican. Naturally there was a big uproar from the Jewish community. So the Pope made a deal. He would have a religious debate with a member of the Jewish community. If the Jew won, the Jews could stay. If the Pope won, the Jews would leave. The Jews realized that they had no choice. So they picked an elderly aged man named Moishe to represent them. Rabbi Moishe's Latin wasn't very good - in fact, he knew very little--but he was a man of great faith and well respected in the Jewish community. The pope agreed. What could be easier than a silent debate?
The day of the great debate came. Moishe and the Pope sat opposite each other for a full minute before the Pope raised his hand and showed three fingers. Moishe looked back at him and raised one finger. The Pope waved his fingers in a circle around his head. Moishe pointed to the ground where he sat. The Pope pulled out a wafer and a glass of wine. Moishe pulled out an apple. The Pope stood up and said, "I give up. This man is too good. The Jews can stay."
An hour later, the cardinals were all around the Pope asking him what happened. The Pope said: "First I held up three fingers to represent the Trinity. He responded by holding up one finger to remind me that there was still one God common to both our religions. Then I waved my finger around me to show him that God was all around us. He responded by pointing to the ground and showing that God was also right here with us. I pulled out the wine and the wafer to show that God absolves us from our sins. He pulled out an apple to remind me of original sin. He had an answer for everything. What could I do?" Meanwhile, the Jewish community had crowded around Moishe. "What happened?" they asked. "Well," said Moishe, "First he said to me that the Jews had three days to get out of here. I told him that not one of us was leaving. Then he told me that this whole city would be cleared of Jews. I let him know that we were staying right here." "And then?" asked a woman. "I don't know," said Moishe. "He took out his lunch and I took out mine."

Guy Mandude · 19th April 2008, 01:31

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The Pope and the Jew

"First he said to me that the Jews had three days to get out of here. I told him that not one of us was leaving. Then he told me that this whole city would be cleared of Jews. I let him know that we were staying right here." "And then?" asked a woman. "I don't know," said Moishe. "He took out his lunch and I took out mine."

I had a good laugh over this. Great Jewish sense of humor in the punch line. Thanks for posting this as opposed to the anti-Semitic crap of the OP.

keeshou · 19th April 2008, 08:04

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Originally Posted by Uncle Harry

Anyone who has ever been to Israel would agree that the Israelis do think of themselves as the master race and that everyone else is as worthy as a cockroach. In that respect I would say that they are similar to Nazis.

But in the OP he is not talking about Israel he is talking about "Jews around the world"

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Originally Posted by Larkinny

I strongly believe that Jews around the world, including those in Israel , ought to be constantly reminded of the evil crimes committed in Palestine under their collective name, as well as understand the close ideological similarity between Nazism and Zionism.

and if that is a little unclear, there is this.

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Originally Posted by Larkinny

Zionism has declared all Jews a distinct ethnicity, just as the Nazis had declared all Germans a distinct ethnicity.

I think that however radical Israel is and without a doubt there is a siege mentality (quite possibly brought on by some of their own policies) that exists in that country, the author (and the person quoting it) is obsessed with Jewish people and has decided to blame them for the miserable condition he finds his life in.