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Old 29th April 2008, 06:47   #1 (permalink)
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Fyi Texas and their pregnant teens

The state of Texas has made a big mistake on how they dealt with the situation with the FLDS ranch. They tore apart families, and traumatized a community. This community was vastly different than the mainstream when it comes to teenage pregnancy. These teenagers were not aborting their children. They were taking care of their babies not aborting them. (which, I believe should be a choice)

Texas leads the nation in teenage pregnancy anyways National teenage pregnancy stats


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The following picture is of the state of Texas and its teenage pregnancy demographic
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29% of abortions, in Texas, are done on teenagers. The FLDS community doesn’t live by the same standards as the rest of Texas in a lot of ways. Their religious ideas are pretty extreme compared to other religions, but isn’t this a free country?

I wonder what the stats would be on a large apartment complex in Texas:

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Education
Drug abuse

Then compare that to the FLDS ranch
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Old 29th April 2008, 07:29   #2 (permalink)
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I completelly agree with you. My only problem with all this soap opera is why were the men hiding and not issuing any statements and protecting their women. Those men are cowards. That being said, the government should just leave them alone.
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Isn't the issue more about who fathered the children?
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Isn't the issue more about who fathered the children?
You mean, kind of like being both the father and grandfather of the child?
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"The FLDS community doesn’t live by the same standards as the rest of Texas in a lot of ways. Their religious ideas are pretty extreme compared to other religions, but isn’t this a free country?"
Quick answer DC is of course no and never was.
I seem to recall reports a few years ago of the FLDS exiling young males from their community by basically dumping them on the highway. This had of course the added benefit of leaving more single women for the polygamous elders. Bunch of deluded fuckwits. I've no problem with consenting adults bowing before Joseph Smith's imagination (or St. Paul's, Mohammed, Moses' etc.) but when it clearly effects children -marriages at 13)taken away their rights then fuck 'em. The argument for early marriages that may carry weight in developing countries doesn't really hold water here. Does it?
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A total of 53 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 are in state custody after a raid 3 1/2 weeks ago at the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado. Of those girls, 31 either have children or are pregnant, said Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar. He didn't specify how many are pregnant.

Leave these people alone? Are you mad?

Also if you look at the rate of teenage pregnancy there seems to be a large percentage of them on the border. Any theories on that front?
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Seems to me like child abuse on a large scale. Not a woman's world in that community, is it?
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I seem to recall reports a few years ago of the FLDS exiling young males from their community by basically dumping them on the highway. This had of course the added benefit of leaving more single women for the polygamous elders. Bunch of deluded fuckwits. I've no problem with consenting adults bowing before Joseph Smith's imagination (or St. Paul's, Mohammed, Moses' etc.) but when it clearly effects children -marriages at 13)taken away their rights then fuck 'em. The argument for early marriages that may carry weight in developing countries doesn't really hold water here. Does it?
I didn't say I agreed with their choices of how they wanted to live. They obviously have not been policing themselves, and show a complete lack of judgement in some cases, but this is just an opinion of what was portrayed in the media.

Early marriage is only for developing countries? marriage is a cultural thing and has nothing to do with infrastructure.

If a law suit or investigation had been brought by a former member that caused an armed attack on the ranch, then it would have more plausibility, but to tear these families apart just because they have differring values from the mainstream is poor judgement.

Educating these teens (children) would play a large part in a healthy community. If they want to have early marriage as a part of that community, then hopefully, the people involved in deciding to marry have enough education and up-bringing to make a voluntary choice and not one under duress or under exclusionary circumstances.

The issue of teen pregnancy in Texas is interesting because about 30% of those pregnancies end in abortion. I would imagine that there are areas where the teen pegnancy rate is higher, and, if so, what are the other elements in these areas that show that in a lot of ways, these FLDS people were doing some things right.

The extremism of this religious community sure raises my brow, especially; when I see how these people communicate with "outsiders" However, keeping their children away from bad influences is a good choice, but I would say, raising young breeding stock is not a good choice, and for the elder population of that community, who obviously have had to have an outside education, to stand by and not do anything is shocking, not because it has not happened before, but because of the sheer numbers of elders that reside in that community.

Anyways, teen pregnancy in Texas is a bit more common than in other areas of the U.S. And, I did catch that bit about being close to the Mexican border. This may indeed affect the numbers, but in that case, given the values of most Mexican families, the abortion rate would not reflect such a high number in relation to it.
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If they want to have early marriage as a part of that community, then hopefully, the people involved in deciding to marry have enough education and up-bringing to make a voluntary choice and not one under duress or under exclusionary circumstances.
How can a thirteen, fourteen or fifteen year old girl, with no true access to the outside world, make an informed, educated judgement? (A decision that, if she dare espouse, older, 'wiser', men would denounce anyway!) She is part of the decision to marry, after all.

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Then hopefully!!!
Come on Duncecap...Hopefully this, hopefully that...and hopefully strawberry flavored virgins will rain down upon us....Get real! What hope does the thirteen year old have?....The hope of outsiders saying 'hopefully'? Reality tells us all a different story!


I know what you're trying to say....This community has some values higher than that of the community next door.........but getting, or maybe I should say colluding, young naive post-pubescent girls into pregnancy ain't one of 'em!



Bad form for you to justify their incestuous/pedophilic ways.

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Bad form for you to justify their incestuous/pedophilic ways.
Justify? not at all! This thread is about the pregnancy rate of Texas and the results of those pregnancies as compared to the FLDS community's results from their pregnancies.

I don't think the FLDS behavior of preying on these young girls is ok. That said, the state of Texas didn't handle the situation very well.

Yes, I say "hopefully", because those things are what the situation require for it to be free.(IMO) Of course it is hypothetical. Obviously, attempts at these utopian or religious societies always end up in abusing the kids or some kind of mass suicide. Or some other catastrophe like Atlantis's fate.

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This community has some values higher than that of the community next door
I don't think the values are higher, just different and getting different results as compared to the larger community of Texas.
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