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i1der · 20th May 2008, 04:14

The troops have my support, we're in it together, now let see what our next president can do, hope he can get us back on the better path.

Boonmee · 20th May 2008, 04:18

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And what about the genocide in Burma? Who will step up?

How long an answer do you want to this question?

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The only thing I am sorry for is the landing on Normandy Beach, 64 years ago. If it weren't for that, we wouldn't have so many pedophile TEFL from Europe, parading around, telling us Americans how we should run our country.

Germany had already lost the war by the end of 1942. D-Day was 1944.

Anyway, exactly why would Germany winning the war mean there would be fewer "pedophile TEFL from Europe, parading around, telling us Americans how we should run our country"?

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FYI, America is not a socialist' nation; most of Europe is--and you can have your 10 dollar shepard's pie (would be with shnitzel if it weren't for our B-29's) and warm putrid beer, and boiled veggies. I wouldn't go there to throw up. In case the Prathom kids didn't tell you, the King is American, too.

Oh, I see - you hate Europe and Europeans. That explains all the crap you've written in your post

re_fuse · 20th May 2008, 04:26

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telling us Americans how we should run our country

So whats better fucking up and not learning from it , or , getting feed back and learning from it ?

Farangrakthai · 20th May 2008, 07:20

it was interesting how much support there was among those serving in the U.S. military for anti-war candidate Ron Paul.

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Military support for the republican candidates

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NAME: TOTAL [ARMY] [NAVY] [AIRFORCE] [VETERAN] [USMC**]
RON PAUL: 24,965 [6,975] [6,765] [4,650] [5,075] [1,500]
McCain: 17,475 [6925] [6305] [1795] [800] [1600]
Romney: 3,551 [2,051] [0] [1500] [0]
Giuliani: 2,320 [1,450] [370] [250] [250]
Hunter: 1000 [0] [1000] [0]
Huckabee: 750 [250] [0] [500]
Tancredo: 350 [350] [0] [0]
Brownback: 71 [71] [0] [0]
Thompson: 0 [0] [0] [0]

Units are contributions in dollars by employees of the respective military organizations.
Source: Finance Reports for the 2007 July Quarterly.

Percentages**:
49.5% Ron Paul
34.6% McCain
7.0% Romney
4.6% Giuliani
2.0% Hunter
2.3% Others

and a few thoughts from the left wing, complements of Gore Vidal:

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Times Online

However, in Vidal’s eyes, McCain is just a symptom of the real malaise affecting America today: the cynical subversion of the US constitution. “The Bush people”, he says, “have virtually got rid of Magna Carta and habeas corpus. In a normal republic I would probably have raised an army and overthrown them. It will take a hundred years to put it all back.”

By now he has worked himself up to a crisp fury: “Those neocons, lawyers, the big corporations – worse than that, extremists – want to get rid of the great power of oversight of the executive. See what they’ll try to do to Obama. They’re crooks. They’re just gangsters. They are the enemy of the United States. There’s no such thing as a war on terrorism. It’s idiotic. There are slogans. It’s advertising, which is the only art form we’ve invented and developed. It’s lies.”

gotta say that I agree with him, esp. the part about "There’s no such thing as a war on terrorism."

nuckingfutz · 20th May 2008, 12:19

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So whats better fucking up and not learning from it , or , getting feed back and learning from it ?

It depends on who the feedback comes from. Are you telling me that Europe, Australia and others have something valuable to offer? And further, do those countries listen to the U.S. on how to run their own countries?

The answer is NO, of course.

re_fuse · 20th May 2008, 12:29

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It depends on who the feedback comes from. Are you telling me that Europe, Australia and others have something valuable to offer? And further, do those countries listen to the U.S. on how to run their own countries?

The answer is NO, of course.

Are you telling me those countries have nothing to offer ?

...And yes

preezeplessone · 20th May 2008, 16:04

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Anyway, exactly why would Germany winning the war mean there would be fewer "pedophile TEFL from Europe, parading around, telling us Americans how we should run our country"?

Oh, I see - you hate Europe and Europeans. That explains all the crap you've written in your post

The pedophiles would be speaking German--not English, so I guess they would be walking around Pattaya disguised as T"G"FLers.

No, Don't hate the Europeans; just the Leftists.

Furthermore, since when it is the job of the military to dictate foreign policy? uhh, NEVER!
A soldiers job is to follow orders. Think how much chaos there would be if every Regiment had to have a political debate before every mission. It just doesn't work that way. You sign up; you do what they tell you.

re_fuse · 20th May 2008, 16:07

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You sign up; you do what they tell you

Unless of course your getting unlawful orders ...nuremberg defence does not work

Boonmee · 20th May 2008, 16:29

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Furthermore, since when it is the job of the military to dictate foreign policy? uhh, NEVER!

Actually, the Iraq war has provoked debate among military officers on this very matter. Perhaps it is the job of a General to tell his C-in-C when he thinks foreign policy has devolved into utter madness.

Incidentally, the British army did experience a mutiny from its officers in 1914:

Curragh Incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So this is not an entirely new debate.

i1der · 20th May 2008, 23:23

The Army's chief is the president, the president got the trust and picked by the people....as a nation, we're in it together. Let do the best we can at the moment and hope thing will turn out better for our children and grand children.

re_fuse · 21st May 2008, 02:59

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Perhaps it is the job of a General to tell his C-in-C when he thinks foreign policy has devolved into utter madness.

Yes yes yes

i1der · 21st May 2008, 04:46

Behind the close door, I'm sure everyone is telling the president what they think then after he listen to all of the experts, then the president make the final call.

Boonmee · 21st May 2008, 04:48

Hmmm....I'm not convinced that it does actually work like that, in practice.

Intrepid · 21st May 2008, 05:58

Not with this 'President'. My guess, from watching this administration in action, is if you express dissent you get shown the door.