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Russia's foreign minister warns against use of force on Iran - International Herald Tribune
Russia's not too keen on the idea:
Russia's foreign minister warns against use of force on Iran - International Herald Tribune
With the survival of Israel is on the line Russia can go to hell.Originally Posted by esoteric1
Actually the zionists can go to hell. The world would be much better off and a hell of a lot safer without them.
A Proud Canadian.
What does that make you then? Seeing as there are just two types of people in the world.
By the way Xtrafresh I wouldn't vote for either of the two parties in Amerikkka. Am I still a liberal?
Either 1) you actually believe this, in which case you are ignorant of just how powerful Israel is, or
2) you know Israel is the most powerful nation in the region and in no significant danger whatsoever and you are trying to convince the gullible that it is somehow to keep up the Israel:victim myth.
Either way it's b.s. which, as far as I can see, no-one here is swallowing.
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When will the so-called paleo-cons take back the Republican party?
"Is it not time the American people were consulted on the next war that is being planned for us?"
"If Bush is discussing war on Iran with Ehud Olmert, why is he not discussing it with Congress or the nation?"full article at: Who's Planning Our Next War? - by Pat Buchanan
Who's Planning Our Next War?
by Patrick J. Buchanan
Yet, to start a third war in the Middle East against a nation three times as large as Iraq, and leave it to a new president to fight, would be a daylight hijacking of the congressional war power and a criminally irresponsible act. For Congress alone has the power to authorize war.
Yet Israel is even today pushing Bush into a pre-emptive war with a naked threat to attack Iran itself should Bush refuse the cup.
Ehud Olmert came home from a June meeting with Bush to tell Israelis: "We reached agreement on the need to take care of the Iranian threat. ... I left with a lot less question marks regarding the means, the timetable restrictions and American resoluteness. ...
"George Bush understands the severity of the Iranian threat and the need to vanquish it, and intends to act on the matter before the end of his term. ... The Iranian problem requires urgent attention, and I see no reason to delay this just because there will be a new president in the White House seven and a half months from now."
If Bush is discussing war on Iran with Ehud Olmert, why is he not discussing it with Congress or the nation?
On June 6, Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz threatened, "If Iran continues its nuclear weapons program, we will attack it." The price of oil shot up 9 percent.
Is Israel bluffing – or planning to attack Iran if America balks?
Previous air strikes on the PLO command in Tunis, on the Osirak reactor in Iraq and on the presumed nuclear reactor site in Syria last September give Israel a high degree of credibility.
Moreover, if Iran has achieved the capacity to enrich uranium, she has surely moved centrifuges to parts of the country that Israel cannot reach – and can probably replicate anything lost.
Israel would also have to over-fly Turkey, or Syria and U.S.-occupied Iraq, or Saudi Arabia to reach Natanz. Turks, Syrians and Saudis would deny Israel permission and might resist. For the U.S. military to let Israel over-fly Iraq would make us an accomplice. How would that sit with the Europeans who are supporting our sanctions on Iran and want the nuclear issue settled diplomatically?
And who can predict with certitude how Iran would respond?
Would Iran attack Israel with rockets, inviting retaliation with Jericho and cruise missiles from Israeli submarines? Would she close the Gulf with suicide-boat attacks on tankers and U.S. warships?
With oil at $135 a barrel, Israeli air strikes on Iran would seem to ensure a 2,000-point drop in the Dow and a world recession.
What would Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria do? All three are now in indirect negotiations with Israel. U.S. forces in Afghanistan and Iraq could be made by Iran to pay a high price in blood that could force the United States to initiate its own air war in retaliation, and to finish a war Israel had begun. But a U.S. war on Iran is not a decision Bush can outsource to Ehud Olmert.
Tuesday, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Adm. Michael Mullins left for Israel. CBS News cited U.S. officials as conceding the trip comes "just as the Israelis are mounting a full court press to get the Bush administration to strike Iran's nuclear complex."
Vice President Cheney is said to favor U.S. strikes. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Mullins are said to be opposed.
Moving through Congress, powered by the Israeli lobby, is House Resolution 362, which demands that President Bush impose a U.S. blockade of Iran, an act of war.
Is it not time the American people were consulted on the next war that is being planned for us?
Unbelievable that someone actually has to point out the plain facts in this basic way, such is the cloud of paranoia and emotion that Israel creates over this issue."It's absolutely not right to speak matter-of-factly that Iran continues building nuclear weapons," Lavrov added.
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^how about this part:
international community = mostly Israel and the United States
the international community is concerned that Tehran wants to enrich uranium to a purity suitable for use in atomic bombs.
am I wrong?
Even if every nation on Earth was concerned, "concern" does not = factual evidence. Paranoia is not enough of a reason to start a war.
That probably makes me a "liberal", whatever that means.
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don't know if Iran wants nukes, but I can see why they'd want them, i.e. deterrence.
There's an arm's race going on in the region. Israel, Pakistan, India.
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^^in their neighborhood who could blame em, eh?
Check this out...an act of war?
continued at:
Is a New Congressional Resolution Declaring War with Iran?
by Emily Blout (source: NIAC)
Thursday, June 26, 2008
Washington, DC — A House resolution effectively requiring a naval blockade on Iran seems fast tracked for passage, gaining co-sponsors at a remarkable speed, but experts say the measures called for in the resolutions amount to an act of war.
H.CON.RES 362 calls on the president to stop all shipments of refined petroleum products from reaching Iran. It also “demands” that the President impose “stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains and cargo entering or departing Iran.”
Analysts say that this would require a US naval blockade in the Strait of Hormuz.
Since its introduction on May 22 the resolution has attracted 205 cosponsors.
Is a New Congressional Resolution Declaring War with Iran? | Campaign Against Sanctions and Military Intervention in Iran
actual bill:
GovTrack: H. Con. Res. 362: Text of Legislation
didn't we do something like that with Japan?
puppet masters (AIPAC, Zionists, etc.) speak, most of U.S. congress falls into line.
shame, shame, shame.
Its going to happen - no question. Iran is going to fight back too. If they can just hol doff one more year..........
I want to live like a poor man,but with a lot of money
something similar yes:
This Day in History 1940: United States passes Export Control Act
[QUOTE]
The United States, fearing the advance of Japanese expansion and cooperation, even if by coercion, between German-controlled France and Japan, took its own action, by banning the export of aircraft parts without a license and, three weeks later, the export of aviation fuel and scrap metal and iron without a license.
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Do you know where the phrases “death to Israel” and “Israel must be eliminated” originated from? Ever hear of a person named Khomeini?
The point of no return
Ayatollah Ali Khamene'i
"There is only one solution to the Middle East problem; namely, the annihilation and destruction of the Zionist state."
THE GULF STATES AND THE AMERICAN UMBRELLA
another Khamene quote
A moment later he added, “Before long, the world’s terrorists will have access to nuclear weapons and take away security from all the tyrants of the world and all the nations of the world.”
Is that a threat or a promise?
Iran “Predicts” Jihad Terrorists Will Get Nukes Sword At-The-Ready
Let’s listen to Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader who is a proxy to Iran:
“
If they [Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide,”
“It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last Jew on earth,”
“There is no solution to the conflict in this region except with the disappearance of Israel,”
Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani second most powerful Ayatollah in Iran.
"If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world", Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani told the crowd at the traditional Friday prayers in Tehran.
When he was president in 2001 he said this:
"The application of an atomic bomb would not leave anything in Israel, but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world." "Jews shall expect to be once again scattered and wandering around the globe the day when this appendix [Israel] is extracted from the region and the Muslim world."
RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL
Ahmadinejad has said:
Press Releases - The Israel Project
- "The real cure for the conflict is elimination of the Zionist regime."
- "The way to peace in the Middle East is the destruction of Israel."
- "Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation."
- "The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."
Analysis:
http://www.jcpa.org/text/ahmadinejad-incitement.pdf
It is essential to distinguish between freedom to oppose a government and incitement to genocide. Verbal barrages (against a government) pose no existential threat to ordinary people in the street. Ahmadinejad's reckless anti-Semitic tirades that "the Jews are very filthy people,""[the Jews have] inflicted the most damage on the human race," "[the Jews are] a bunch of bloodthirsty barbarians," "they should know that they are nearing the last days of their lives," and "as the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map" should have aroused trepidation. His apocalyptic utterances are not mere rhetoric. Ahmadinejad's declaration that the Holocaust was a "fairy tale," and his enabling of Hamas and Hizbullah, demonstrate that there is simply no way for his ambitions to be realized without perpetrating a new genocide.
Threats of genocide indeed. Should Israel wait like the Tutsis did for Iran to attack? Unlike the Rwanda genocide in which the Hutu used machetes; Iran will be using nuclear weapons. It reminds me of 67: Isreal is surrounding my 5 national armies ready to strike and the rest of the world is telling Israel not to attack. Israel did and was victorious.
Heres a sobering thought for all Americans:
...Iran is attempting to create a Shahab-5 and a Shahab-6, with a 3,000-5,000 kilometer range. These missiles would be three-stage rockets. If completed, the Shahab-5 and the Shahab-6 would take Iran into the realm of limited range ICBM's, and enable Iran to target the US eastern seaboard.
http://www.csis.org/media/csis/pubs/060417_irandelivsystem.pdf
are you actually hoping that Iran gets a nuclear bomb?
people using my sources for articles and terms against me. Glad to know that I am having some sort of impact on these forums :p.
seriously tho.... if your neighbor next door was always threatening to kill you and your family and you found out that he was taking classes to kill people would you not be alarmed farang?
deterrence or genocide?
Last edited by Xtrafresh; 27th June 2008 at 23:22. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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