robitusson

Horseshit Xtrafool.

I didn't defend it for one. You're talking through your bumhole again.

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Lotuslevi

Xtrafresh, you`re an embarrassment to Jews, Americans, and the combination of the two. The reason you piss me off so much on this thread is that as an American Jew and a world traveler, I have to maintain dignity, rationality, and courtesy around people because I feel lately America and Israel have embarrassed themselves big time.

In short, you are part of the problem. People like you are the reason I left America and while I have been trying to find some respect for you, you`re making it ever so hard. You seem to believe that the American Manifest Destiny has not died and should expand to the Middle East at the expense of human life, human property, and human culture different than those of the West.

It`s because of people like you that there is now so much anti-semitism these days as we watch Israel and Palestine fight it out. You almost make their anti-semitism merited and as a man of Jewish descent who is proud of his heritage, I will not let you smear that for me.

You really are a fuckwit.

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MisterStretch

You'll notice that I'm not defending his 'drug use' but am arguing that you have not presented a prima facie case that he is a 'hard and heavy' drug user.

You do understand the concept of proof, don't you? You do understand the Aristotlien properties of proving a point, don't you?

When you have something besides the "I'm Bubba and that boy done wrong!" argument, join in with those that actually know how to set forth a proposition and debate it with intelligence.

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Xtrafresh

Do you know the difference between "was" and "is"? Better brush up on your tenses m8.


Obama has clearly admitted to using cocaine and I have made a strong case (which you or no one else has been able to refute so far) that he potentially used heroin. What more do you want....for G.D to come down and shout it in your ear?


Essentially that is what we are all doing.



First learn the difference between the present and the past then we can talk. Deal?

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MisterStretch

Wow, that's definitely taken the wind out of my argument. Alright, change the tense and you still haven't proven it.
Greg Dunleavy is going to come and tells us about Obama's drug use? Wasn't he the guy on BJ and the Bear? Or was he in Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman. Either one, I don't think it adds credence to your argument. Only you think you've made a strong case. There's no proof, not even an admission that can be clearly pointed to.

Now, if your "G.D" is your way of alluding to God, it wouldn't make much difference to me. Most things relating to the belief in a supreme deity are matters of faith, not evidence. I don't believe. No evidence. Kind of like your arguments. I don't believe. No evidence.

If he did use cocaine when he was younger how have you determined that it was 'heavy' use? Is this you and your crystal ball or has nuckingfutz been giving you lessons on how to construct an argument?

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Xtrafresh

1: Either point out any faulty logic I have or be quiet in regards to my analysis of Obama's word choice.

2: Cocaine is the substance...crack cocaine is cocaine that you smoke We do not know how Obama took it do we? Regardless cocaine is a killer and there have been cases that people have died the first time that they used it.

3: Contrary to your opinion most Americans have not used cocaine.

4: Glad we can agree upon something

5: I jest not. GWB is a far better president than Clinton and light years ahead of Carter.


Those are my sentiments about you Lotuslievi but I have tried to keep them to myself out of respect for our heritage.

I do not share your opinion about America or Israel. Both of which I will defend with my dying breath if need be. I am tired of Jews running away from persecution and constantly apologizing for who they are. I am tired of the Larkinnys' of this world who spew forth hatred of every kind against us. I will not run Lotuslevi and if that pisses you off then so be it. I am damn proud of Israel and I am damn proud of America.

I was against the Iraqi war from day one Lotuslevi....we had no business going in Iraq. In 2002 I joined a group known as "Warriors for Peace" a peace activist group that was strongly against the build up to the Iraqi war. I probably shocked everyone in that group because they were die hard liberals and I am die hard conservative. To this day I remember I remember protesting the war and having people spit upon me, throw things at me, and insult me in ways that I would never insult my worst enemy.

Even through all of that, I am a damn proud American. We went in and we can not change that fact. Nor can we change the fact that the vast majority of liberals and conservatives supported this war. While I want out of Iraq I feel that America has a responsibility to fix what it destroyed....to rebuild it.

As for Iran....Nothing frightens me more then a nuclear armed Iran. The religious leaders there would make the racists individuals on this forums appear tame. Every effort should be made to permanently halt the development of nuclear technology in Iran. This is a war that I can support even though I generally hate and despise them.

I will be there in Israel darkest hour. You can count on that. I just pray that my service (and potentially sacrifice) will not come any time soon since I will be married in less then 3 months. It would devastate my wife but the loyalty that I have towards Israel is something that is not easily explained. More then anything in this world I want to see peace within Israel. But peace will not come at the cost of Israel existence.

There has always been anti-semitics throughout history. Instead of running and crying about it I have decided to stand and fight.

As I told you in my private message the other day Loti...it is never good for people like ourselves to fight publicly. We may disagree with one another but we can be respectful towards each other.

Shalom

There is still hope for you yet.

Who is Greg Dunleavy?


Out of habit Stretch....I always try my best to avoid spelling the full name.

I have already taken the wind out of your previous argument and I am going to do so again.


This is from Obama own pen and not from some conservative website. Blow is another name for cocaine. If Obama was just "experiment" with it then he should have came out and clearly said so. We do not know how often he could afford it do we? My guess is quite often and I do not need a crystal ball to tell me this.

Obama does not have a rags to richness story in his early years. He went to a private school in Hawaii.....how many poor kids do you know that attend a private school there? On top of that he traveled the world with his parents....gotta have money for that that. Harvard is arguably the best school in America and one of the most expensive....if he could afford to attend Harvard than he could afford cocaine.

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Compromise, hell! That's what has happened to us all down the line — and that's the very cause of our woes. If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time? Sen. Jesse Helms

aging one

Funny you cant read a simple narrative written obviously in the past tense. Then to use it as information.

Hope you dont teach because you have no concept of used to.

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zehner

he should swap tales of coke and whiskey binges with Dubya....maybe they could invite Cindy McCain along too to provide the vicodin and double hole shots

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Xtrafresh

With all due respect aging one you are growing quite senile. Where have i failed to realize that the narrative that Obama had written was in the past tense? I have quite clearly maintained that he was a drug user (please note the word "was) but is no longer an addict. The debate now focuses on whether or not cocaine (a drug that Obama has clearly admitted in using) is a "heavy" or "big time" drug. Not once have stated that Obama is presently using drugs. Now do us all a favour and shut the hell up before you hurt yourself.

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“We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us” Golda Meir


Compromise, hell! That's what has happened to us all down the line — and that's the very cause of our woes. If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time? Sen. Jesse Helms

zehner

^must be on major drugs

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To see myself, to set the darkness echoing.

MisterStretch