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Yep they're still being screwed right now mate....poor old Indians!!!Originally Posted by daniel36
Yep they're still being screwed right now mate....poor old Indians!!!
Riddle me this brother can you handle it
Your style to my style you can't hold a candle to it
Equinox symmetry and the balance is right
Smokin' and drinkin' on a Tuesday night
It's not how you play the game it's how you win it
I cheat and steal and sin and I'm a cynic
The Indians are exacting some revenge in the States. Many of the tribes have established lavish casinos and are slowly draining the white man's pockets of all their disposable cash.
"Goddamn it Lord, bless oh ye this bacon..."
George Liquor American
^ I think that's what people would like others to think, but overall they're treated terribly mate IMO!!!
Riddle me this brother can you handle it
Your style to my style you can't hold a candle to it
Equinox symmetry and the balance is right
Smokin' and drinkin' on a Tuesday night
It's not how you play the game it's how you win it
I cheat and steal and sin and I'm a cynic
Panhunger will always take the imperialist point of view, no matter what evidence comes his way....somehow the oppresed deserve what they get, isnt that right?
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter don’t mind. – Dr.Seuss
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yep, agree, the only way to achieve "land for peace" between Israel and the Palestinians is to pressure Israel to give up the land.
Naomi Klein: Enough. It's time for a boycott of Israel | Comment is free | The Guardian
Punitive measures will alienate rather than persuade Israelis.
The world has tried what used to be called "constructive engagement". It has failed utterly. Since 2006 Israel has been steadily escalating its criminality: expanding settlements, launching an outrageous war against Lebanon, and imposing collective punishment on Gaza through the brutal blockade. Despite this escalation, Israel has not faced punitive measures - quite the opposite. The weapons and $3bn in annual aid the US sends Israel are only the beginning. Throughout this key period, Israel has enjoyed a dramatic improvement in its diplomatic, cultural and trade relations with a variety of other allies. For instance, in 2007 Israel became the first country outside Latin America to sign a free-trade deal with the Mercosur bloc. In the first nine months of 2008, Israeli exports to Canada went up 45%. A new deal with the EU is set to double Israel's exports of processed food. And in December European ministers "upgraded" the EU-Israel association agreement, a reward long sought by Jerusalem.
It is in this context that Israeli leaders started their latest war: confident they would face no meaningful costs. It is remarkable that over seven days of wartime trading, the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange's flagship index actually went up 10.7%. When carrots don't work, sticks are needed.
Israel is not South Africa.
Of course it isn't. The relevance of the South African model is that it proves BDS tactics can be effective when weaker measures (protests, petitions, backroom lobbying) fail. And there are deeply distressing echoes of apartheid in the occupied territories: the colour-coded IDs and travel permits, the bulldozed homes and forced displacement, the settler-only roads. Ronnie Kasrils, a prominent South African politician, said the architecture of segregation he saw in the West Bank and Gaza was "infinitely worse than apartheid". That was in 2007, before Israel began its full-scale war against the open-air prison that is Gaza.[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C756NOPyDA&eurl"]YouTube - Interview with Ron Paul[/ame]Cities across the world become platform for hundreds of thousands of protesters against Gaza fighting | Mail Online
Cities across the world became the platform for protest on Israel's military action in Gaza today.
Organisers said more than 250,000 people marched through Spain's capital of Madrid, with other European cities including Athens, Brussels, Rome, Naples, Frankfurt, Munich and Berlin also the focal points of protesters.
Last edited by Farangrakthai; 12th January 2009 at 12:44.
That's pretty much it.
Anyone can dump on anyone as long as its not him taking it.
German porn motto???
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." --The Dude.
Do you have a sick fascination with Xtrafresh?
Who cares if I am this "Xtrafesh" person? I will neither confirm or deny that you are a sane person. Hows that?
Both papers do not store all their articles from time past either. All you have to do is go to the Palestinian website and look for youself. I tried to give you a couple of links to the Palestinian Media watch but was unable to do so because my post count was not high enough. But what will that prove in the long run? What excuse will you use to justify these actions and comments? But for your sake I will look up those links again.
Why should Isreal trust Saudi Arabia? Why should Israel follow Saudia Arabia plan to commit sucide? Why should Isreal let the so called refugees to return? That's millions and millions of the most virulently anti-Israel Arabs on the planet overrunning Israel. So it's like what a two-state solution (one Jewish and one Arab) would look like, if you replaced the word "two" with "one" and took out any references to" Jewish". And from where does this magical right to deny Jewish self-determination come from? It's one of the oldest canards in the Middle East - the mythical, sacrosanct, UN-mandated, UN-reiterated, UN-celebrated totally unjustified and pathological "Palestinian Right of Return".
*sigh* Here we go again. Are you insecure? "I" do not care who owns Gaza. The rockets must stop. That is as simple as I can put it
1: Come back to reality. We are not living in utopia
2: The "refugees" would kill the Jews before they ever got their citizenship cards
3: Need I comment?
Who cares about Obama? Obama is a straw man who will not make any impact on the Mideast whatsoever. If anything he will make it far worse and much much more dangerious.
Dude, I'm just saying that 'some' of the tribes are getting some dough. I was being facetious when I said 'exacting revenge.'
"Goddamn it Lord, bless oh ye this bacon..."
George Liquor American
How are they being screwed? Please elaborate.
well, it's pretty obvious you are, so, don't know why you're using a sock puppet.Is it because you were laughed at for the thread you started "The battle for Congress / Sarah Sarah Sarah"?
not surprised that your preference is for Israel to be a Jewish and not democratic state and have apartheid-like policies toward the Palestinians.
your anti-Arab vitriol is just as bad as those who hold those racist views toward Jews.
and, anyway, it's Netanyahu who along with Mossad actually strengthened Hamas to be a fighting Islamic force to counter Arafat's secular Fatah, right?
this is interesting coming from the right wing Wall Street Journal:History of Hamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Indeed Israel supported and encouraged Hamas' early growth in an effort to undermine the secular Fatah movement of Yasser Arafat.[2] According to UPI, Israel supported Hamas starting in the late 1970s as a "counterbalance to the Palestine Liberation Organization".[3] At that time, Hamas's focus was on "religious and social work". The grassroots movement concentrated on social issues such as exposing corruption, administration of waqf (trusts) and organizing community projects.
In a statement to the Israeli Parliament's (the Knesset) Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee on Monday February 12th 2007, Israeli Prime minister Ehud Olmert said "Netanyahu established Hamas, gave it life, freed Sheikh Yassin and gave him the opportunity to blossom". [4]
George E. Bisharat: Israel Is Committing War Crimes - WSJ.com
Israel's current assault on the Gaza Strip cannot be justified by self-defense. Rather, it involves serious violations of international law, including war crimes. Senior Israeli political and military leaders may bear personal liability for their offenses, and they could be prosecuted by an international tribunal, or by nations practicing universal jurisdiction over grave international crimes. Hamas fighters have also violated the laws of warfare, but their misdeeds do not justify Israel's acts.
The United Nations charter preserved the customary right of a state to retaliate against an "armed attack" from another state. The right has evolved to cover nonstate actors operating beyond the borders of the state claiming self-defense, and arguably would apply to Hamas. However, an armed attack involves serious violations of the peace. Minor border skirmishes are common, and if all were considered armed attacks, states could easily exploit them -- as surrounding facts are often murky and unverifiable -- to launch wars of aggression. That is exactly what Israel seems to be currently attempting.
Israel had not suffered an "armed attack" immediately prior to its bombardment of the Gaza Strip. Since firing the first Kassam rocket into Israel in 2002, Hamas and other Palestinian groups have loosed thousands of rockets and mortar shells into Israel, causing about two dozen Israeli deaths and widespread fear. As indiscriminate attacks on civilians, these were war crimes. During roughly the same period, Israeli forces killed about 2,700 Palestinians in Gaza by targeted killings, aerial bombings, in raids, etc., according to the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem.
But on June 19, 2008, Hamas and Israel commenced a six-month truce. Neither side complied perfectly. Israel refused to substantially ease the suffocating siege of Gaza imposed in June 2007. Hamas permitted sporadic rocket fire -- typically after Israel killed or seized Hamas members in the West Bank, where the truce did not apply. Either one or no Israelis were killed (reports differ) by rockets in the half year leading up to the current attack.
Israel then broke the truce on Nov. 4, raiding the Gaza Strip and killing a Palestinian. Hamas retaliated with rocket fire; Israel then killed five more Palestinians. In the following days, Hamas continued rocket fire -- yet still no Israelis died. Israel cannot claim self-defense against this escalation, because it was provoked by Israel's own violation.
An armed attack that is not justified by self-defense is a war of aggression. Under the Nuremberg Principles affirmed by U.N. Resolution 95, aggression is a crime against peace.
Israel has also failed to adequately discriminate between military and nonmilitary targets.
Israel's American-made F-16s and Apache helicopters have destroyed mosques, the education and justice ministries, a university, prisons, courts and police stations. These institutions were part of Gaza's civilian infrastructure. And when nonmilitary institutions are targeted, civilians die. Many killed in the last week were young police recruits with no military roles. Civilian employees in the Hamas-led government deserve the protections of international law like all others. Hamas's ideology -- which employees may or may not share -- is abhorrent, but civilized nations do not kill people merely for what they think.
Deliberate attacks on civilians that lack strict military necessity are war crimes. Israel's current violations of international law extend a long pattern of abuse of the rights of Gaza Palestinians. Eighty percent of Gaza's 1.5 million residents are Palestinian refugees who were forced from their homes or fled in fear of Jewish terrorist attacks in 1948. For 60 years, Israel has denied the internationally recognized rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes -- because they are not Jews.
Although Israel withdrew its settlers and soldiers from Gaza in 2005, it continues to tightly regulate Gaza's coast, airspace and borders. Thus, Israel remains an occupying power with a legal duty to protect Gaza's civilian population. But Israel's 18-month siege of the Gaza Strip preceding the current crisis violated this obligation egregiously. It brought economic activity to a near standstill, left children hungry and malnourished, and denied Palestinian students opportunities to study abroad.
Israel should be held accountable for its crimes, and the U.S. should stop abetting it with unconditional military and diplomatic support.
suppose you'll call Jon Stewart a "self-hating Jew" like you do other Jews who criticize Israel's policies toward the Palestinians?
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J5IHcMlBuE"]YouTube - Jon Stewart and GAZA[/ame]
Last edited by Farangrakthai; 13th January 2009 at 03:55.
How many "sock puppets" do you have on these forums? I counted three or four in this thread!well, it's pretty obvious you are, so, don't know why you're using a sock puppet.
Who are you to determine what type of country that Israel should be? That is what "self-determination" is all about. You would have far more freedoms in Israel than anywhere else in the Middle East. Unlike the mostly government-controlled media in the region, Israeli journalists can report on all aspects of Israeli life, and do not hesitate to criticize their government’s failings. Arab journalists who expressed similar views about the Palestinian Authority or other Middle Eastern regimes would likely face arrest — or worse. Israel has a legal system that actually protects Arabs and often rules against the government. Where else can you find this in the Middle East?
Where have I ever spewed out "anti-Arab vitriol"?
Can you please elaborate on how Fatah is "secular"?
I believe that this is a nice rebuttal article:
Legal expert: Rising Gaza death toll doesn't mean IDF acts are disproportionateBy Ofra Edelman
The fact that hundreds of Palestinians have been killed during the operation in Gaza, compared to fewer than 20 Israelis, has nothing to do with the question of whether the operation is legal according to international law, says Prof. Yuval Shany, an expert in international law from Hebrew University's law faculty.
The relevant question, he said, is "whether the operation is proportionate to the provocation that led to it. When a single Qassam [rocket] is fired, the state cannot invade and conquer an entire country. There must be a measure of proportion between the action and the reaction. But here, we are not talking about a single Qassam, but about years of Qassams."
Israel, he continued, "is permitted to use force to the degree necessary to end the attacks against it. Therefore, it [the operation] is legal as long as it is meant to prevent the attacks."
However, Shany stressed, by law, Israel would not have the right to use force to effect regime change in the Gaza Strip. Israel would also have no right to deliberately target Palestinian civilians, even though Hamas deliberately targets Israeli civilians: One side's illegal actions do not entitle the other side to violate the law as well.
"In wartime, it is permissible to attack military targets only," Shany explained. "This means targets that make a significant contribution to the other side's war effort: Qassam launchers, Hamas fighting forces, weapons storehouses and [smuggling] tunnels."
Military targets can be struck even if civilians will very likely be hurt, as long as the harm to civilians is proportionate, he explained. This depends on factors such as the military value of the target, the extent of the harm suffered by civilians and the measures taken to minimize this harm.
Thus, with regard to two specific dilemmas faced by Israel - whether to attack mosques being used as weapons storehouses, and also hospitals where senior Hamas commanders are holed up - Shany said: "A mosque is a more acceptable target than a hospital, because with a hospital, the assumption is that the harm to civilians will be far greater." And in fact, Israel has chosen to strike mosques, but not hospitals.
However, the professor added, even a hospital does not have total immunity: Firing missiles at it would be unacceptable, but a commando force could be sent in to capture wanted Hamas men.
Regarding claims that Israel has deprived Gaza of fuel and electricity, and prevented the evacuation of the wounded, Shany said that once Israel has taken control of the Strip, it must enable the population's humanitarian needs to be met. This includes an obligation to treat the wounded and to supply food, water and electricity. "The longer the army remains in an area, the greater its obligation to supply the local population's needs becomes," he added.
Similarly, when Israel warns civilians to leave a house before an attack, it must ensure that they have somewhere to go and access to basic necessities such as food and water. Nevertheless, Shany noted, when United Nations agencies examined Israel's conduct during the Second Lebanon War in 2006, they praised its practice of dropping leaflets to warn civilians to leave before bombing, saying this reduced civilian casualties.
Shany said it would be hard for anyone to sue Israel in the International Court of Justice in the Hague, since the country being tried must consent to have the court hear the case. However, he warned, individual European countries that claim universal jurisdiction could seek to arrest and try specific Israel Defense Forces officers for alleged war crimes.
Legal expert: Rising Gaza death toll doesn't mean IDF acts are disproportionate - Haaretz - Israel News
What does Mr. Stewart being a Jew have to do with anything? I can quite easily find Arabs who support Israel cause. Would that qualify them as a "self-hating Arab"? Would their voice lend any legitimacy to this argument?
none, only FRT.
well, it's a fact.
Fatah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Fataḥ (Arabic: فتح) is a major Palestinian political party and the largest faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), a multi-party confederation. In Palestinian politics it is on the center-left of the spectrum. It is mainly nationalist although not predominantly socialist.sure, would like to see quotes from any prominent Arab academics, politicians or commentators who agree with your opinion that Palestinians should live in apartheid-like cantons in the west bank.
Watch Billy Jack mate.....specifically Trial of...you'll understand then!!!
To be fair he did change his name from Jon Ilovemoneyandhaveabignoseburgstein to Stewart!!!
Last edited by kenkannif; 13th January 2009 at 07:28. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Riddle me this brother can you handle it
Your style to my style you can't hold a candle to it
Equinox symmetry and the balance is right
Smokin' and drinkin' on a Tuesday night
It's not how you play the game it's how you win it
I cheat and steal and sin and I'm a cynic
oh, didn't know about that.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfFMZ7Y-s_c&eurl"]YouTube - Israel admits: "No Hamas rockets were fired during ceasefire"[/ame]
Gaza: UN official reports horrific hospital scenes of casualties
12 January 2009 – Appalled that fighting was still continuing in Gaza despite the Security Council’s ceasefire resolution, senior United Nations officials said today they were horrified at the human costs amid reports that over 40 per cent of the nearly 900 Palestinians killed in the Israeli offensive, and almost half of the 3,860 wounded, were women and children.
“Behind those statistics that we read out every day is really profound human suffering and grave tragedy for all involved and not just for those who are killed and injured but for their families as well,” UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) Director of Operations John Ging told a news conference in New York, speaking by video link from Gaza, where he had just visited the main Al Shifa hospital.
He said the sense of fear in Gaza was all pervasive among a battle-hardened population of 1.5 million that had already seen many years of conflict. “In my three years here I have never witnessed anything like the scale of fear that is there,” he stressed. “We have to recognize that there’s no safe place in Gaza and that continues to be the case and the casualty figures speak to that.”
Speaking in New York, Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs John Holmes told the news conference the UN had been unable to independently verify the casualty figures given by the Palestinians but they seemed plausible. As of today, there were 884 dead, 275 of them children and 93 women (42 per cent), and 3,860 wounded, 1,333 of them children and 587 women (49 per cent).
“I am appalled that violence on this scale is still continuing in Gaza and horrified at the human cost of all this,” he said. “What continues to be worrying is that the Palestinian civilian casualty rate appears to be still increasing.”
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