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    Re: Fox News: Afghan Invasion!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by stfranalum View Post
    ive found it amusing on a few occassions how people who have served in the military think that they have this body of knowledge that NOOOO ONE else could possibly understand. such as:

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    Do you have any idea
    ive found it amusing on a few occassions how people who have served in the military think that they have this body of knowledge that NOOOO ONE else could possibly understand. such as:

    like as an ordinary american, i have no possible idea that they hate me. only with your help, and the help of other GI's who donned armor and did physical training in the morning, can i possibly be aware of this.

    and dont be put off by the sarcasm...its just that i feel, personally that im well informed that some hate us. that is absolutely irrelevant of the fact that a "war on evil" or a "war on bad feelings" could never be possibly won.

    i dont need security clearances to know this. its the rhetoric of propaganda to make us live in fear of things we cant control. its a clever move of those who profit from war, to use the media to make us believe that with military might, we can defeat islamic extremism.

    this is grabage. no covert ops missions, and intelligence briefings will bring about an end to it. but we all know that they need to build a better society in the middle east and elsewhere. until people are able to provide for their families and live fruitful lives, will they have less motivation to kill others. and even then, there will still be dead-enders.

    the world isnt a secretive place. theres lots out there to show us the way. those who claim to have an X that you cant see, are playing the same game that the enemy is playing, albiet on a different team.
    Fair enough. We all have unique experiences, training, education, and beliefs that shape us, and we all attach a value to the same of others, in one way or another. I accept my position in your understanding and view of the world. In no way, do I expect you to accept mine, or any other ''GI who donned armor and did physical training in the morning'', when you haven't.

    ''Donning armor and doing PT'' only authorizes you to have an opinion --which may or may not be valid, of course. I accepted long ago that I'm just another piss-ant with a government retirement paycheck.

    I'll wrap up with this; I saw a movie many years ago titled ''Shindler's List''-- was still a G.I. Joe in those days, I believe. I had certain thoughts and emotions watching that film.

    Later in my life, I was a civilian, in an ''ethnic cleansing'' daily work environment as a diplomatic observer. I realized, all the dynamics of that black and white film, were the same thing I was ''observing'' realtime. Had a profound effect. Really brought it home in a way I never would have thought, had I only experienced that film.

    Profound experiences probably do effect the passion and or manner in which thoughts and experiences are conveyed --which are easily discernible (to me) from the wall of noise spewed by those on the remote periphery. Doesn't mean they're right, just saying, you know?
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    Re: Fox News: Afghan Invasion!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by sodum View Post
    I can't help but feel some posters might still be living in Mom's basement, and/or feel the need to justify being afraid to enlist in the military-- or to compensate for some other perceived inadequacy, by developing this shallow defensive response and whinging non-stop about the sins of America, and at no time, holding mass murderers of civilians accountable, or showing any empathy at all for victims of Islamist terror attacks.
    6 lines for the 1 sentence, good going. Question: you're saying people who don't enlist in the military are afraid?

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    Re: Fox News: Afghan Invasion!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by robitusson View Post
    Question: you're saying people who don't enlist in the military are afraid?
    Certainly not. Many--huge numbers of brave American lads stay at home, to help around the basement or whatever, while other lesser men, slink off to war.

    Some are chicken tho', wouldn't you think? I mean statistically of course...
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    Re: Fox News: Afghan Invasion!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by sodum View Post
    Some are tho', wouldn't you think?
    I'd imagine that people who have other decent work going on and other good opportunities available would be less likely to join up. Don't think it has much to do with fear or courage at all.

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    Re: Fox News: Afghan Invasion!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by robitusson View Post
    ... Don't think it has much to do with fear or courage at all.
    Yeah, you're probably right.

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    Re: Fox News: Afghan Invasion!!!!!

    to be really frank, i respect soldiers a great deal for the human cost of what they go through.

    the long hours, the tough physical and mental conditions. the bravery to put on a flak jacket and run into a building. i feel humbled by it. they are a true testament to an enduring will, and most that ive met, wont bitch about anything, unless in extremely small company.

    but i have a hard time thinking, after talking to many soldiers, that they are truly informed about the world around them. got intel on a building? sure they are informed.

    but knowing the policies that are way way way above their head, governmentally? like "is there WMD?" or "what should we do with pakistan?" id say that most soldiers said "OF COURSE" to WMD and something like " FUCK 'EM PAKIS! just bomb the place" because thats what they were told. and you knowing soldiers, youve probably heard a "fuck em" attitude toward pesky countries. that is NOT uncommon to hear it at a mlitary bar. and therein lies the lack of my trust in their objectivity- their job is to do something that they are told to do. seldom are soldiers allowed freedom to be critical and think laterally on policy type stuff. dont think there are WMD?? well, why not go and complain to the sarge? yeah that would go over well. "i think we should look more carefully at our policies about this mission..."

    sure they are given latitude with regards to their specific job....but then again, the weapons inspectors in iraq felt like saddam was boxed in. they demanded more time to prove what they knew- that there were no weapons there.

    bush & co said saddam was a grave danger....and then...so did all republicans (republicans = most people in the military)

    so bush was so badly informed...and wrong. this is fact by the way. they have admitted it. then why do soldiers and some conservative hawks keep saying there is WMD there? the argument that "i was there!!" doesnt pan out.

    in my book, "i was there" means i buy you a beer if i see a vet at a bar and hear his story. its a sense of respect i give to those who serve us all. and thats not lip service. i genuinely feel that way. but that respect is no free pass on objective information. in fact, the voters are the bosses in this regard. its up to those out of the chain of command to decide who is right.

    look i dont want to belittle people. but security is all of our business. i happen to be on the "reading" side of it. this isnt informed in the sense that i dont know who to kill, individially...like over that one hill in afghanistan...i dunno fuck all about where the taliban is hiding.

    but i do read the propaganda...and the critique on it. the opinions on the critque and the discussion about those opinions, etc. i feel that compared to many americans, i am quite well informed on international relations type of stuff. and i just dont trust uber hyped up military analysis on why we should be pissing our pants. "you just dont get how afraid you should be if you only saw the shit i did!" <- maybe i dont get it. and i never saw combat. so maybe i should be afraid. maybe bush was right. maybe we need a massively costly and perpetual war on an elusive enemy that sends videotapes from a cave.

    but it seems implausible. thats the freedom i have of distance from the fight. thats my version of objectivity.

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    Re: Fox News: Afghan Invasion!!!!!

    The combat experience will traumatise people regardless of their courage as well. Obviously it will kill or injure the cowardly and brave alike but the mental and psychological effects will affect anyone who's exposed to war. I don't see how being courageous will help a soldier after he's come back.

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    Re: Fox News: Afghan Invasion!!!!!

    we need compulsory service in the usa

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    Re: Fox News: Afghan Invasion!!!!!

    Jesus! Sweet baby Jesus! Vengeful, full-of Wrath Jewish God! Purple Hindu God, with the five horns on his knee and a dick growing out'a his forehead!.....

    HELP ME!
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    Re: Fox News: Afghan Invasion!!!!!

    Perchance you were referring to your good self and it's a cry for help in the above post (#84) Sodum ?
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    ...he's bored...like most of us here...it's a cry for argumentation and a plea to Jesus to post more pacifist stuff....we'll get another sodum tour d'horizon seasoned with his manly life experience and demonstrating his continuing inability to post concisely....

    ...ramblin' rose...

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    Re: Fox News: Afghan Invasion!!!!!

    I talked with an Iraq vet and he came across as one of the stupidest people I've ever talked to. It was a shame really as when he mentioned he'd been in Iraq I was looking forward to some cool insights. Not a bean. He was a racists, loud, obnoxious meat head.
    Jesus is coming, open your mouth.

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    Re: Fox News: Afghan Invasion!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hollow View Post
    He was a racists, loud, obnoxious meat head
    ...imagine that...ex-army, you say?

    ...recruitment at Ivy League schools has fallen....

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    I was shocked TC, truly shocked.
    Jesus is coming, open your mouth.

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    Re: Fox News: Afghan Invasion!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by stfranalum View Post
    id say that most soldiers said "OF COURSE" to WMD and something like " FUCK 'EM PAKIS! just bomb the place" because thats what they were told. and you knowing soldiers, youve probably heard a "fuck em" attitude toward pesky countries. that is NOT uncommon to hear it at a mlitary bar. and therein lies the lack of my trust in their objectivity- their job is to do something that they are told to do. seldom are soldiers allowed freedom to be critical and think laterally on policy type stuff.
    Would you want the military to be conducted in any other way? Do you want soldiers in the field to be questioning government policy? OF COURSE they do what they are told. It would be very dangerous for them to question every order. There are enough citizens to question the policies. I don't want soldiers doing the questioning. Soldiers are there to break things and kill people. Period.

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