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    Re: Obama gags Humana

    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    am referring to our debate when you were posting as xtrafresh over a year ago. we were debating u.n. resolutions against israel and you at first said that were not chapter 5 resolution, then they are not chapter 7 resolutions, etc. not passed by the security council and therefore meant nothing.

    when i posted info that they were security council resolutions, then you said that israel doesn't even recognize the u.n.security council resolutions as being legit because the u.n. is violating its own charter by not recognizing the league of nations treaty on palestine.

    so, rather than acknowledging that even the security council has passed resolutions against the israeli occupation of the west bank, you then say the whole u.n. including the security council, the u.s. is wrong and they don't understand the international law of this issue. though, you do.

    that is intellectually dishonest, xtrafresh and you can start a new thread about it, if you'd like to continue this debate.

    Partially true. We debated a wide range of UN resolutions and their meanings while neither one of us would give one inch. It was at this time that I decided to "checkmate" the argument and throw a curve ball. I quoted Eugene Rostow, one of the drafters of 242, when I made my argument. This was a prevailing opinion at the time upon the people who were writing these resolutions. It was only later that the prevailing opinion changed against Israel. Why did it take the Geneva Convention 30 some years to declare that Israel was in the wrong? Now we can debate what the application of various UN Resolutions till we are blue in the face but the overriding factor in my book is the Palestine Mandate. In my opinion this is something that you have not been able to refute in the slightest.




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    Re: Obama gags Humana

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    you can start a new thread about it, if you'd like to continue this debate.
    Now we can debate what the application of various UN Resolutions till we are blue in the face but the overriding factor in my book is the Palestine Mandate. In my opinion this is something that you have not been able to refute in the slightest.
    that's what i'm saying. start a thread about it and say what international law backs up your claim that the west bank and gaza belong to israel. and also, would be good if you could use international law to back up your thoughts about moving palestinians from the west bank to jordan.

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    so, should the palestinians be given their own state, given israeli citizenship or be ethnically cleansed to jordan? (care to answer this?)
    Since most Palestinians have cancelled Jordanians citizenship then they should be allowed back into Jordan. Both the "Palestinians" and "Jordanians" are one and the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by Golani View Post
    Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

    so, you think 2.5 million palestinians in the west bank should be ethnically cleansed to jordan. nice one, xtrafresh (golani).
    How can they be "ethnically cleansed to Jordan if they are Jordanians to begin with? The Palestinians/Jordanians already have their country called Jordan which takes up 77% of present day "Palestine".

    The British Mandate for Palestine, which was passed by the League of Nations, is a binding treaty which is upheld by the UN's very charter. This binding treaty gave all of Palestine to the Jews.

    There is already a two country solution within Palestine....Jordan and Israel.

    There is no difference between forcing Israeli citizens from their homes in Judea/Samaria and forcing "Palestinians" back into Jordan
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    Re: Obama gags Humana

    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    he can be intellectually dishonest on occasion rather than conceding a point and moving on to the next point.
    Funny thing the only two people I have on ignore right now are G and LK. And they hate each other.
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    Re: Obama gags Humana

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    I do not get this idea that somehow if someone criticised Bush that now they automatically love Obama. It's a complete fabrication that exists in the minds of people who cannot think beyond a tiny, narrow partisan lines, Golani for example.
    Precisely. It's just a question of who is the lesser of two evils, and Obama wins that contest by a long way.
    If I could do it all over again, I'd do it all over you.

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    The programmes of the Two Minutes Hate varied from day to day, but there was none in which Goldstein was not the principal figure.--1984

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    Re: Obama gags Humana

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Harry View Post
    Precisely. It's just a question of who is the lesser of two evils, and Obama wins that contest by a long way.
    Riiiight. Go back to your island.

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    Re: Obama gags Humana

    I'm already there you plonker.
    If I could do it all over again, I'd do it all over you.

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    Re: Obama gags Humana

    Back on topic:


    Political intimidation has always been part of the current Congress's health-care strategy: "If you're not at the table, you're on the menu" is tattooed on every lobbyist and industry rep in Washington. But Max Baucus's latest bullying tactics are hard to believe by even these standards, as the Senate Finance Chairman has sicced federal regulators on the insurer Humana Inc. for daring to criticize one part of his health bill.




    Earlier this month, Humana sent a one-page letter to its customers enrolled in its Medicare Advantage plans, which offer private options to Medicare beneficiaries. Humana noted that, because of spending cuts proposed by Democrats, "millions of seniors and disabled individuals could lose many of the important benefits and services that make Medicare Advantage health plans so valuable." The Kentucky-based company also urged its customers to contact their Representatives. Pretty tame stuff, as these things go.


    Mr. Baucus took it as a declaration of war. He complained to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the federal health-care agency, which on Friday duly ordered Humana to cease and desist. CMS claimed the mailer was "misleading and confusing" and told the company it has opened an official probe as to whether the mailer violated laws about how the insurers that manage Advantage plans are allowed to communicate with their customers, as well as other federal statutes.


    "Please be advised that we take this matter very seriously and, based upon the findings our investigation, will pursue compliance and enforcement actions," CMS concluded, ominously. Humana could be fined or booted from Medicare Advantage altogether.
    "It is wholly inappropriate for insurance companies to mislead seniors regarding any subject—particularly on a subject as important to them, and to the nation, as health-care reform," Mr. Baucus said in a statement yesterday, playing the role of Congressional censor. "The health-care reform bill we released last week strengthens Medicare and does not cut benefits covered under the Medicare program—and seniors need to know that."
    In fact, the Baucus draft legislation slashes $123 billion over the next decade from Medicare Advantage, which Democrats hate despite the fact that almost one-fourth of beneficiaries have chosen it over traditional fee-for-service Medicare. One reason seniors like it is because private insurers focus on quality and preventive care and try to manage benefits, as opposed to simply paying bills.


    A new study from America's Health Insurance Plans, the industry trade group, finds that seniors on Advantage in California spent 30% fewer days in hospitals over fee-for-service patients, based on federal data. Democrats say that insurers are "overpaid," but the cuts—as Humana correctly noted—mean that seniors may lose this coverage.


    Mr. Baucus doesn't want seniors to be educated about these facts, and obviously he's willing to use his enormous power to punish any private company that doesn't affirm his, well, creative version of reality. Nearly half of Humana's yearly revenue comes from Medicare Advantage, and the insurer says that it is complying in full with the CMS investigation. Yesterday, the agency also barred all Advantage insurers from providing similar information to their beneficiaries.


    This episode neatly shows how all U.S. health care will operate if Mr. Baucus's bill becomes law. For months Humana and the wider insurance lobby have been among ObamaCare's most prominent cheerleaders, with the exception of Advantage cuts and the public option—even though they'll be converted into government contractors in the business of fulfilling whatever Congress happens to dictate. The insurers are willing to give up their remaining business autonomy because Democrats intend to mandate that all consumers buy their products—but as with Advantage now, that means government will control the funds upon which the insurers' survival depends. They'll have no choice but to genuflect, or else the political class will pull out the tire irons.


    Humana merely made the mistake of trying to tell seniors the truth about what will happen to their coverage, and now CEO Michael McCallister had better hire a good team of lawyers. Mr. Baucus and the Obama Administration are out to make him an object lesson to the rest of the business class, and that means they won't stop until Humana cries uncle or is ruined.

    Baucus Bullies Humana Inc. - WSJ.com

    A couple people requested that I keep them up to date concerning Humana so I will post any new information I find concerning them.

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    Re: Obama gags Humana

    Humana’s statements are predictions about the future, and thus by definition not provably false. Moreover, they are chillingly accurate predictions,
    Hmmm, so, somebody says something 'may' happen. That doesn't make it true (accurate) or false (inaccurate).

    Somebody says something may happen and it's 'chilling'...well, that's a different story. Now it must be accurate. Chillingly accurate, in fact.

    Golani, sad though he is, is nothing more than a product of America, its media, and its 'lack of education' system.
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    Re: Obama gags Humana

    so, golani (xtrafresh) when are you going to start a thread to support your claims that the west bank and gaza legally belong to israel.
    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    that's what i'm saying. start a thread about it and say what international law backs up your claim that the west bank and gaza belong to israel. and also, would be good if you could use international law to back up your thoughts about moving palestinians from the west bank to jordan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Golani View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post

    so, should the palestinians be given their own state, given israeli citizenship or be ethnically cleansed to jordan? (care to answer this?)
    Since most Palestinians have cancelled Jordanians citizenship then they should be allowed back into Jordan. Both the "Palestinians" and "Jordanians" are one and the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by Golani View Post
    Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

    so, you think 2.5 million palestinians in the west bank should be ethnically cleansed to jordan. nice one, xtrafresh (golani).
    How can they be "ethnically cleansed to Jordan if they are Jordanians to begin with? The Palestinians/Jordanians already have their country called Jordan which takes up 77% of present day "Palestine".

    The British Mandate for Palestine, which was passed by the League of Nations, is a binding treaty which is upheld by the UN's very charter. This binding treaty gave all of Palestine to the Jews.

    There is already a two country solution within Palestine....Jordan and Israel.

    There is no difference between forcing Israeli citizens from their homes in Judea/Samaria and forcing "Palestinians" back into Jordan

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    Re: Obama gags Humana

    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamBlake View Post
    Hmmm, so, somebody says something 'may' happen. That doesn't make it true (accurate) or false (inaccurate).

    Somebody says something may happen and it's 'chilling'...well, that's a different story. Now it must be accurate. Chillingly accurate, in fact.

    Golani, sad though he is, is nothing more than a product of America, its media, and its 'lack of education' system.
    And you are the product of what? A generation of downtrodden coal miners indoctrinated into the socialist mentality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    don't know why you guys don't like having golani posting here. we all have our interests in different threads on Ajarn Forum. some like to help newbies with their questions and tell them stories about what they've done in their years in thailand. others like the pub, others, like myself, like the classroom/staffroom on occasion, especially grammar and of course, the soap box.

    the soap box would be pretty boring if we all agreed with each other. unlike panhunger who calls muslims "ragheads" and defends israel, though cannot debate worth shit,

    and J.L. is a bit better, though, like panny, usually ends of having a mental breakdown when you challenge his opinions and starts flaming like a nasty katoey.

    and although, nuckingfutz can be quite entertaining and although, Mannedrake (emjay) calls himself a liberal, though defends the neo-cons, usually without even giving an opinion, just criticizing others' posts,

    IMO, golani is a pretty good debater and adversary in the soap box. hope he sticks around. like he says, bush took a lot of crap from Ajarn Forum posters, there is no reason that xtrafresh (golani) can't be giving some to obama, IMO. gives a chance for obama supporters to support him, like xtrafresh supported the neo-cons.



    who are you referring to?

    What opinions have you challenged? I usually only represent one opinion here that takes into account many issues. You are a brainwashed leftist who does not understand the philosophical foundation of American govt. You either believe that man has natural rights or you don't - or your education was lacking enough to be unfamiliar with the concept.
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    Re: Obama gags Humana

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny larue View Post
    And you are the product of what?
    wolves, somewhere in south afrika.

    (well that's what he says, anyway, i.e, not europe, australia, n.z., north america)

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    Re: Obama gags Humana

    Is Golani a Jew?

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    Re: Obama gags Humana

    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    wolves, somewhere in south afrika.

    (well that's what he says, anyway, i.e, not europe, australia, n.z., north america)
    Why would you answer a response to someone elses post? Limited reading skills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny larue View Post
    You are a brainwashed leftist who does not understand the philosophical foundation of American govt.
    no, actually consider myself part of the libertarian wing of the republican party and voted for ron paul in the last prez election. though, obama is doing fine, IMO, and it is a breath of fresh air compared to the neo-cons in the bush admin like perle, feith, wolfawitz, who looked at the world through israel's eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by buddahas View Post
    Is Golani a Jew?
    he says he has jewish blood and duel american/israel citizenship. he says he was abandoned as a kid and got christian foster parents who never adopted him. only know this because i was wondering why he is so attached to israel. guess he's trying to find the roots he never had by attaching himself to israel.

    b.t.w. he really has stated this on AF, not joking around.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny larue View Post
    Why would you answer a response to someone elses post? Limited reading skills?
    lighten up J.L. not every post has to be about your right wing politics.
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