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11th October 2005, 18:47
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Jon Reremy
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Foreigner vs. Farang
I have lived in Thailand for three years recently have noticed a curious point associated with the use of the word Farang. I know the origin and history of how the Thai’s came to start using it to describe a white skinned foreigner. I know the word is generally believed not to confer any disrespect or negative connotation, but I think there’s more to it than what most people consider. In my home country of America we have words to describe and classify groups of people with certain skins colors as well. Most of these words carry strong negative connotations and are only used by the most racist of groups. However, a use of any word that singles out a group based on skin color is generally considered to be, at the very least, impolite. This article will mean nothing to anyone who can’t think of the some reasons for why these words are impolite. In America these types of classifiers are commonly used by segments of the population who suffer from varying degrees of ignorance. I asked one of the Thai teachers at my school about why I never hear Farang used by my Thai students, the Thai teachers in a certain department or in other settings like, say a Thai investment forum advisor probably wouldn’t be constantly referring to the white foreigners in attendance as the Farangs. One would most always expect to hear whitey being referred to as a foreigner or a foreign teacher and not Ajarn Faran . She explained in the polite Thai way in what amounted to is “that it wasn’t appropriate in certain settings”. This sounded to me like she was talking about it being impolite and so I’m making a leap that the word carries a certain level of crudeness, like say “camel jockey”, or “spook”  . Not necessarily nazi rhetoric, but crude nonetheless. I didn’t follow up too far with her on this, as I only wanted her answer to my question on the “why not”, and not kick up any more dust than necessary. I’m a white male  from The States who isn’t in the least offended when I hear the word Farang, or similar words. I didn’t use such language in The States not because I’m some politically correct and super sensitive kind of guy, but because it was impolite and I knew that I would be perceived by most as an ignorant person Do the users (Thai and otherwise) of the word Farang know how they are perceived by some? Or is it similar to The States where they are too steeped in ignorance to know the difference?
To make a generalization of my own; I most often hear Farang in places like Pattaya, this includes foreigners who, have somehow no matter what length of time they have been in Thailand, have only managed to meet and interact with Thai’s who commonly use it with the same frequency as words like “tilac”, and can tell you spot rate for gold on any given day.
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11th October 2005, 19:13
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When you look about in your Thai classroom what do you see. 30 to 50 black haired brown eyed kids. This is not a multi cultural mix like America. I dont like it either but I accept it. We are farungs and allways will be.
It took me a long time not to compare back to American. We are all ethnocentric, but the point is we are here. We dont have the rights of Thai in America, but that is the way it is. :chug:
I'm still having fun, raising kids, and making money.
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11th October 2005, 19:18
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We dont have the rights of Thai in America, but that is the way it is.
I'm still having fun
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11th October 2005, 20:10
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the end was
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I'm still having fun, raising kids, and making money.
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And being able to vent is nice thanks forum!
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Too long in Exile, too long not singing my song.
Too long like a rolling stone, Too long in exile
Too long in Exile, baby you just arent my friend.
Too long in Exile my friend, Baby you can never go home again.
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12th October 2005, 19:41
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Sounds like a fair fight. 
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Or would you like to swing on a star?
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12th October 2005, 19:46
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aging one
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different weight classes in general though.
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Too long in Exile, too long not singing my song.
Too long like a rolling stone, Too long in exile
Too long in Exile, baby you just arent my friend.
Too long in Exile my friend, Baby you can never go home again.
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12th October 2005, 21:41
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agree.
i thought more interesting because it included Thais (lets face it, are totally f----g racist) and us FARANG who have accepted one of their standards as "no big deal" seeing as we all use the word all the time. Can't wait til they start printing adverts for the "sand niggers" to come back to soi 3 for holiday. why not?, if Thai's accept it, then it must be okay. and as some FARANGs like to tell other FARANGs "if you don't like it (this part of Thai culture), then go back to your own country". Personally, I love farangs and niggers so I'm gonna stay. but if you have a problem with the heebs then you're already outta luck.

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12th October 2005, 21:57
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"honkey" is impolite ?
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12th October 2005, 23:59
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Jon Reremy
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good question.
I think it depends on what honkey you're talking about. Generally honkeys are pretty polite, but sometimes the honkey needs to be slapped down for taking their honeyness too far.
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good question.
I think it depends on what honkey you're talking about. Generally honkeys are pretty polite, but sometimes the honkey needs to be slapped down for taking their honkeyness too far.
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good question.
I think it depends on what honkey you're talking about. Generally honkeys are pretty polite, but sometimes the honkey needs to be slapped down for taking their honkeyness too far.
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no, honkey is polite. it describes a group of people with white skin that can't help biting their lower lip while dancing or having sex doggy style. there's other factors than skin involved.
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13th October 2005, 12:00
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If a Thai knows my name I expect to be called by it, rather than "farang." Otherwise I'm cool with it most of the time. It reminds me of when I was a child--I thought every Asian was 'Chinese.'
...and maybe someday they will be! 
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13th October 2005, 14:36
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It only bothers you if you let it
I'm a farang, I don't particularly enjoy being called it....but I am, always have been and always will be and IMEHO I'd rather be a farang than a Thai 
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Rockin my peers and puttin suckas in fear
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13th October 2005, 14:45
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Good point and I for one hate "YOU' more than farung!!
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Too long in Exile, too long not singing my song.
Too long like a rolling stone, Too long in exile
Too long in Exile, baby you just arent my friend.
Too long in Exile my friend, Baby you can never go home again.
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13th October 2005, 15:55
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I ALWAYS ignore people that yell out "You, you!" at me.
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banging the gong...
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13th October 2005, 16:04
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The original post seems to infer that some polite Thais consider 'farang' to be pejorative and inappropriate. However, I don't think the use of 'farang' can be as impolite to use in Thailand, in front of a foreigner, as the "N word" is for Black Americans. So perhaps it depends on context and how it's inflected. And perhaps various Thais use the term differently.
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13th October 2005, 16:29
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Originally Posted by dongintheklong
I ALWAYS ignore people that yell out "You, you!" at me.
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Well make sure you don't drop your wallet or any money then 
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And with the local DBT news, LL Kool K with a triumphant comeback
[mumbling]
but tonite...
[KK]
Don't call it a comeback
I been here for years
Rockin my peers and puttin suckas in fear
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